Origin of Races

[Ethelwulf]

Thread to discuss the origin of races. I've been recently following this debate between Pastor Eli James and Finck on their different views on the races.

I would also like to know what this websites view is on Eli James theory that Gen 1 and Gen 2 refer to different historical white populations.

If you will allow me i can also post my own view, but i'm not CI and i believe in evolution.

[Les]

We do not believe in evolution here. I think it is possible there was a type of White race that was Pre-Adamite.

[wmfinck]

Thread to discuss the origin of races. I've been recently following this debate between Pastor Eli James and Finck on their different views on the races.

I would also like to know what this websites view is on Eli James theory that Gen 1 and Gen 2 refer to different historical white populations.

If you will allow me i can also post my own view, but i'm not CI and i believe in evolution.

See my podcast and notes here:
http://christogenea.org/content/christogenea-forum-call-01-17-11-end-genesis-heresy
This is part of what I call the Christogenea Overview, which also has a short page concerning my opinion on evolution here: http://christogenea.org/content/creationism-and-evolution

[NicoChristian]

Genesis 1 refers to the pre-Adamic Whites, it speaks of people in plural. Adam was the first White spirit man and leader of our race. There must have been other people on the face of the Earth including non-Whites because Cain after murdering Abel was afraid of being killed by other people. Not only was he afraid of being murdered, he found a wife and built a city. One would not build a city for three people now would they. Paster Bertrand Comparet made a sermon on this called, 'What happened to Cain?' Why would YHWH create multitudes of fish, birds, mammels, then create one man and one woman? This has been the most foolish interpretation of Genesis ever. Genesis 1 clearly speaks of multitudes of people, Genesis 2 records the creation of God's son Adam and the leader who was created to replace Lucifer as leader on Earth. Through Adam all life fell into sin. Pre-Adamic Whites fell into sin because they were related to Adam by race. Non-Whites did not fall into sin and were never under the law and do not need a Saviour, they will simply die as a dog or cat does. They have no spirit and do not need or cannot be saved. I hope this is a satisfactory explanation.

[Arabel]

Weren't the Cro Magnon people white caucasion? What exactly was the reason they were created in the first place and did they have souls?

[xBluxTunicx82]

I'm not sure anyone can answer that question with 100% certainty. I think it would be impossible for the Cro-Magnon to be a Caucasian, as the Caucasian race has its own definitive bone structure, just as every other race. Also, the White man has been capable of advanced agriculture and the building of great civilizations while the others are not. Think not that China or Israel came to power in this world on their own, they have sucked the life from white cultures to get to where they are today.

It has been purported that these cro-magnon were the fallen angels. The bible does tell us that the 'sons of God' or angels came to earth and fathered giants. This does not mean, necessarily, that they were literal giants. As a giant can just as easily be powerful and larger than life in nature.

Jeremiah 4:23-27 "23I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

27For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

This beautiful gem speaks of 'in the beginning' when the earth was without 'form and void'. So this is a reference to Genesis and the creation account. Notice the mention that there was 'no man'? Yet there were cities trembling? Also the birds were fled, meaning that this was prior to Adamkind or possibly even this earth age.

All we know is that the Bible is 'the book of the generations of Adam', so whatever calamity took place on this earth to help it become without form and void, is hidden from our knowledge. It is important to stay rooted in what Christ, our God has taught from the beginning.

Dr Swift did a series of sermons on the history of the earth and the origin of races as well, its several hours long so be prepared for a thorough study of history, archaeology and scripture, but it is well worth it.

[Arabel]

Really they might be fallen angels??? Eli James website mentions Cro Magnon as being pre Adamic whites. I also heard they mixed with the Neanderthal. And some are saying Neanderthal man were the Nephilim. But I'm definately gonna look into it some more.

[Kentucky]

Genesis 1 refers to the pre-Adamic Whites...

The 'Two Creations' theory has been disputed by Clifton Emahiser and William Finck

Critical note by Clifton A. Emahiser: While Comparet does quite well with this
presentation it is not without error. Comparet’s premise is that the non-adamic races
were created at Gen. 1-26-27. In a brochure titled The Chronicles Of Genesis, I
addressed this erroneous position saying:“ Because of the degradation of Race which
we are witnessing today before our very eyes, the chronicles of the Book of Genesis
become of the utmost importance to us. The first chronicle we find in the entire Bible is
at Genesis 2:4-7. Because most people don’t recognize this passage as a chronicle
(an historical record of a previous event(s),) they mistakenly take it for a continuation of
creation. Thus they try to identify two separate creations. They incorrectly deduce from
this that the ‘man ’ at Genesis 1:26-27 (the same Strong’s #120 as that used at
Genesis 2:19) is the creation of the non-adamic races, and that the ‘man ’ at Genesis
2:7 is the creation of Adam-kind. This dangerous, unsound theory they usually dub ‘ the
sixth and eighth day creations of man ’.”

Here is a listing of related articles:
http://christogenea.org/adam


Mark

[Filidh]

Kentucky: It was my understanding that Bill and Clifton disputed the idea of non-White races being created before Adam - not the creation of White, pre-Adamic people. That White people were in existence before Adam is backed up by the story of the other trees in the garden that Adam and Eve were to clothe and eat the fruit of.

[Kentucky]

Kentucky: It was my understanding that Bill and Clifton disputed the idea of non-White races being created before Adam - not the creation of White, pre-Adamic people. That White people were in existence before Adam is backed up by the story of the other trees in the garden that Adam and Eve were to clothe and eat the fruit of.

Bill is in my home right now and he just said that the other trees were planted after the creation of Adam. See Gen. 2:7-9.


Mark