The Hebrew Sabbath is not on Saturday or Sunday

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I should expand on this. This is a rough draft of my comments on the Sabbath which were given before the Romans 4 presentation.

If you think the Jews have the calendar right, just because they are Jews, you have got to be kidding yourself. Don't give the Jews credit for anything, because in truth they are not Jews, they are devils. An examination of the instructions in the Book of Exodus which were given to Israel concerning the Passover and the Sabbaths reveals that the first day of the year was marked with the observance of the Spring (Vernal) Equinox, and, so far as we can perceive, it begins in the evening of the day which we call March 20th on our modern calendars. That was the first day of the Israelite year, it started the Sabbath cycle for the year, and the Passover was on a Sabbath on the 14th day of the year. A child should be able to read the Exodus account and figure this out. The reckoning of the Sabbath at the time of Christ had already diverged from the Scriptures. Therefore if you insist on celebrating a Saturday Sabbath, you will be right about one seventh of the time, and if you insist on celebrating a Sunday Sabbath, you will also be right, about one seventh of the time. In truth, if you want to celebrate a Biblical Sabbath, you must begin counting the seventh day anew each year from the day of the Vernal Equinox, as Yahweh instructed Israel to do in the Exodus. This particular year, the Sabbath would begin each Thursday evening and end each Friday evening. We will call that Friday. Next March it is Saturday. In 2016, because of the leap year, it jumps to Monday. It is Saturday again in 2020 and Sunday in 2021, so the Catholics can stay mad until then. Most of us would think, “wow, I cannot celebrate a Sabbath on a Tuesday or a Wednesday, I need my job”. That is because, ever since the days of the Assyrian and Babylonian deportations, we are still Israel in captivity. For that same reason, the apostle Paul told us to “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” (Colossians 2:16).

So whatever Sabbath day you celebrate, or choose not to celebrate, you should do so for God and not to please men.

[Joe]

I do follow Pastor Lent's calendar, which has Thursday night and Friday as Sabbath. I am not sure what to do, so I use it as a Bible study day.
For example, I do turn-on lights, use my 'ipod' for radio shows, I do use my computer to look-up things...
This Sabbath I only got through two chapters as I often have to go and read from other sources to get a good foundation. I am such a newb, lol. I hope to do better soon.
I also have no clue about the other feast days/extended Sabbaths. I know there is one feast day still to come.
I am not too worried, as I think our feast days will be better in time.

edit: So yeah, does anyone else not turn lights on/off, not go outside the house or any other things like that?

[viking]

I should expand on this. This is a rough draft of my comments on the Sabbath which were given before the Romans 4 presentation.

If you think the Jews have the calendar right, just because they are Jews, you have got to be kidding yourself. Don't give the Jews credit for anything, because in truth they are not Jews, they are devils. An examination of the instructions in the Book of Exodus which were given to Israel concerning the Passover and the Sabbaths reveals that the first day of the year was marked with the observance of the Spring (Vernal) Equinox, and, so far as we can perceive, it begins in the evening of the day which we call March 20th on our modern calendars. That was the first day of the Israelite year, it started the Sabbath cycle for the year, and the Passover was on a Sabbath on the 14th day of the year. A child should be able to read the Exodus account and figure this out. The reckoning of the Sabbath at the time of Christ had already diverged from the Scriptures. Therefore if you insist on celebrating a Saturday Sabbath, you will be right about one seventh of the time, and if you insist on celebrating a Sunday Sabbath, you will also be right, about one seventh of the time. In truth, if you want to celebrate a Biblical Sabbath, you must begin counting the seventh day anew each year from the day of the Vernal Equinox, as Yahweh instructed Israel to do in the Exodus. This particular year, the Sabbath would begin each Thursday evening and end each Friday evening. We will call that Friday. Next March it is Saturday. In 2016, because of the leap year, it jumps to Monday. It is Saturday again in 2020 and Sunday in 2021, so the Catholics can stay mad until then. Most of us would think, “wow, I cannot celebrate a Sabbath on a Tuesday or a Wednesday, I need my job”. That is because, ever since the days of the Assyrian and Babylonian deportations, we are still Israel in captivity. For that same reason, the apostle Paul told us to “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” (Colossians 2:16).

So whatever Sabbath day you celebrate, or choose not to celebrate, you should do so for God and not to please men.

WOW, Bill, this is really really creepy!

My distrust of main-stream christianity led me to look at other options, for a time in my life I considered "the sabbath" to be vitally important, ie keeping the 7th day would differentiate myself from "Sunday keepers"

My understanding then, was that the Jews were of Judah, albeit a somewhat problematic scenario, refer the pharisees, not really knowing the father, God can make children to Abraham from pebbles, and of course, only believing in a "future" messiah etc.

I had assumed that the "oracles of God" had been given to "the Jews", and that the 7th day sabbath was proof of the identity of the Southern Kingdom of Israel (Judah, Benjamin etc)

Coupled with Zechariah 14, and references to keeping the feast of tabernacles, it seemed that 7th day sabbath keeping and feast day keeping should be an integral part of christian worship.

However, I came to later realize that sabbath keeping and feast day keeping was somewhat ritualistic, and did not really change anyone - including myself, I guess.

A better understanding of these days as shadows (ie not the reality) iow Christ is the reality, then occurred.
It is true that, as some point out, the feast days have not been completely fulfilled, YET Christ is the reality and a shadow cannot equate with the real thing.

I need to look at this calendar thing again (quite complex).
I remember reading some quite complex books a few years ago on how the calendar works (a bit tedious)

But if the Israelites were never required to keep an ever repeating "Saturday" sabbath, that would put a nail in the coffin of a LOT of organization's sabbath keeping?

Perhaps even less fighting say, amongst christian sabbath keepers?
I'm sure that most christian sabbath keepers blindly follow the 7th day (Saturday) cycle.

Bill, a thought just occurred to me; could we not say that the responsibility for looking after the oracles of God had been given to the Germans? Refer the Gutenberg Bible ????

FIN

[HeiligeSchriftLeser]

Hi all,

ok,..I had done some research on this,...but, theres seems to be a 1,000 voices saying a 1,000 different things out there...as well as many calendar theories...

I was under the impression.....since only Constantine {1 man} had changed the Sabbath {?} {I read that somewhere,can't remember where!!} from Saturday to Sunday....and some say ONLY to differentiate it from what the "jews" were actually doing....copying Us!.

I was only abit more convinced by simply looking at our world "today"....

If the Sabbath is supposed to be Sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday.....I just looked at the way our world is today....and what do most young people do of a "friday night" once they get off work ?

Go out to get drunk,....get wasted,....get laid,...or both.....or worse.

Just as this theorized Sabbath is said to begin.

So thats sort of what had me sold on that idea !! Seeing as the longer this world goes on, the more chance of Truth getting completely subverted. Right becomes wrong, wrong becomes right !!

All that said,...Since its even been a task finding out who we actually are, after all this time...I can say Thank God for the Internet,because theres no way on Earth I would ever even heard a fraction of this stuff via jewish run publishing houses' books.

[Richard1]

On this topic you may be interested in reading Adam DeWitt's challenging book entitled, "It's About Time, The Sabbaths". Here's a link:

http://www.christianidentityministries. ... bbaths.pdf

[Micah83]

I believe one of the purposes of the Sabbath was to give believers a day to worship together on. For example, if Tom is celebrating on monday and Ted on friday, etc. then our fellowship will be few and far between. In Weisman's book he shows the day to clearly be Sunday. I understand Pastor Bill now their is a proper calender issue which I was not aware til now. Since America is the Kingdom of God I think the fact we celebrate it on Sunday (when we were founded) should hold some water. As far as the lights on or off, I think its righteous you are so die-hard for The Lords day but if the lights are off how can we study? Furthermore acts of necessity and charity are not forbidden. My Sabbath goal is not to buy or sell in the market nor cook some illustrious meal and devote the day to fellowship, study and prayer. Me and my kinsman will drink some beer or wine on the sabbath too, its called communion. Yahweh bless you brother!

[PhilNotChristian]

After reading Bill's post it seem like it is impossible to maintain a weekly Sabbath. I'm gonna keep it simple...I like Saturdays.

[Nayto]

After reading Bill's post it seem like it is impossible to maintain a weekly Sabbath. I'm gonna keep it simple...I like Saturdays.

The point Bill is trying to make is that it is futile to judge others on the day of their Sabbath. The spirit of the law is that there are six days of work and one day of rest and on that day of rest we dedicate the time to God and to our brethren.

If you want to keep it on a Saturday, that's cool. I do too. Just don't judge others if they keep it on a different day, because there is nothing to judge them with.

[Kentucky]

Ancient Israel did not have named days. Their Sabbath days were numbered. The principle has always been a day of rest, not a Pharisee making it a pet doctrine.

Mark

[NicoChristian]

Anybody who has had confusion, guilt or misunderstandings on the Sabbath issue is not alone. Firstly, going back about 10 years I was taught it was Saturday, no problem I observed Saturday. Then I was told early Christians observed Sunday. Then I was told midnight Friday to Midnight Saturday. Then 18:00 Friday to 18:00 Saturday. In the end I've heard so many different versions that I was unsure what to follow. I often found Saturday to be hard to follow and felt guilty for having to do things on Saturday only to later find out that Saturday won't always be the correct Sabbath. Personally I have ended up on Sunday. I tend never to have to work on Sunday and not much occurs on Sundays. It's also the West's traditional day of rest. I truly believe we will find it very hard to get back to the original Biblical Sabbath, but what's important is our desire to please God and follow His law. Yeah we are far from perfect, but the fact that we continue to try and serve our Father is what matters. Scripture has been very clear as previously stated that we judge not on calenders, feasts, fasting, observance etc. Men love to nit pick. People have critcized me for having a cross, no having a beard, doing this doing that, while their own teaching are self-righteous hypocrisy. I truly agree with conservative respectable standards, but some people are just Pharisees and nitpickers.