The Government of God - Brother Ryan

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Ryan made this early this morning, because he thought that some of his postitions were misunderstood by some of the brethren here, so here it is.

[bahr]

What Ryan says is 100% correct, obviously. It is simply what the Scriptures say. Unfortunately, we can't put these principles in practice anymore.

[Kentucky]

What Ryan says is 100% correct, obviously. It is simply what the Scriptures say. Unfortunately, we can't put these principles in practice anymore.

We can put into practice self government. That's where man ruling man should start. One man is also the head or ruler of his family, but that's been eroding for years. The point of Christian Identity is not only racial identification, but to identify our responsibilities once that truth is realized. How we respond to God's societal instructions reflects the type of government we have.

A lot of this may be semantics, whether one calls it a ruler or a leader or a dictator. A benevolent dictator in a Christian nation simply dictates the system prescribed in the Bible. Asking Ryan if he's an anarchist is like asking him if he's gay; words change.

The liberal left wing response to a racial theocracy is that they don't want the Laws of God IMPOSED upon their society, much in the same way the golden calf was erected, and yet our adversaries impose their gods upon us all the day long till the cows come home. Ryan's comments begs the question: does God delegate His authority? If He does, then we do indeed have representational government, rather than 'every man doing that which seemed right in their own eyes.'

The premise for man bearing rules or taking the lead or dictating God's policy is founded in the simple folkish system of captains. This is something God did: "So I took the chief of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, and captains over fifties, and captains over tens, and officers among your tribes." Was this nailed to the Cross? It would be difficult to put these principles into practice today, even within Christian Identity, because of the attitude that no other man can tell me what to do.

Luckily, CI is only a message and not an institution. But, we still wrestle with principalities and malevolent dictators. If Paul had meant for there to be no man ruling over another man, then why did he write "For rulers are not a terror to good work, but to evil"? (Romans 13:3 CNT).

Many of our people with a racial consciousness blame Hitler and National Socialism for losing WWII. But, little do they realize that the biblical analogy can be made to the parable of the householder, " “This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours!” Mark 12:7. This dovetails with, “The kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force” Mt. 11:12. We have to understand that “The people against whom the Lord has indignation forever” (Mal. 1:5) killed Christ and they account White Christians “as sheep for the slaughter” (Romans 8:36). That's the perspective from God. I'm not a "Hitler worshipper" and I resent that appellation, but "Saviours [deliverers, plural] shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's" Obadiah 1:21. And "Therefore you delivered them into the hand of their enemies, who oppressed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto you, you heard them from heaven; and according to your manifold mercies you gave them saviors [deliverers], who saved them out of the hand of their enemies" Neh.9:27.

A man appointed of God, to save or deliver His people, must have the rule of law to lead and dictate the structure and order of government. We get glimpses of this throughout history and we should be learning from it, that we don't reject those whom God hath appointed; "Every soul must be subject to more powerful authorities" Romans 13:1 CNT. Of course the judeos have butchered this passage to mean we lay prostrate before antichrists. No, we discern the spirit to see if he is of God and then we support the ruler to advance the Kingdom. History is the progression of learning this concept so that when Christ finally comes to rule and reign, our hearts and minds are prepared. Government should not be something we continually reject and placidly wait for Christ to do it all when He returns. That would be irresponsible for White Christians and a faith without works.

Mark

[Fenwick]

Well first off, I am aware that it was Aaron who was left in charge and created the golden calf, but then he was chosen to be the head of the priesthood and not the leader chosen by God. It is probably worth mentioning that if Moses had not abdicated that particular responsibility when he was appointed, it would not have to have been carried out by Aaron.

And note the people's words to Aaron in Exodus 32:1 : "as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him"

Aaron had been left in charge, but the people's perception was that they were leaderless. It was their fear of this that compelled them to ask Aaron to make new gods. Without a leader to hold them on God's path, they started casting around for new gods.

However he has clarified his own position in regards to the patriarchs of Israel, and I would see these as a form of leadership in any case, with their parliaments and courts being the function and structure of government.

I would not see this as a form of anarchy, and I cannot imagine that many of the anarchists that Ryan aims at when he speaks of anarchy are much interested in that sort of society, unless they were more collectivists than individualists. But he will know better than me how receptive they are to it.

I am glad he has clarified his position and I can see that his definition of leadership was pretty much what I had envisaged leadership to be, so there isn't really any disagreement there. I should point out that I don't even like the concept of having an individual head of state. I'd much prefer a council system to replace a king or president, with the understanding that no one man can become leader, and that the council only exists to maintain Christian society until the return of Jesus.

I do however not share his disdain of corporatism in general. Social movements like the NSDAP have gained some success through their strong organisation and motivation. I could imagine a more specifically Christian movement achieving their goals in the same way. I do not think this would be contrary to the laws of God if their structure had to be adapted to the social realities of today, as long as their aim was to work towards restoring the system of collective patriarchal government that the laws of God command.

[Joe]

Wow, what I got from this (and Kentucky's elucidating post) is that we should all take responsibility to establish God's Law in our own lives for ourselves. At the same time we instruct the woman, and that elders instruct us ...not according to our own thoughts; but according to His Laws. It is always His Law. Thus a leader would be someone who elucidates His Law. So no man rules over us, we establish the Law for ourselves, God rules us ...and leaders are those who help us establish the Law for ourselves.
His criticisms of NS were interesting. Heil Christ.

Fenwick said:

I do however not share his disdain of corporatism in general. Social movements like the NSDAP have gained some success through their strong organisation and motivation. I could imagine a more specifically Christian movement achieving their goals in the same way. I do not think this would be contrary to the laws of God if their structure had to be adapted to the social realities of today, as long as their aim was to work towards restoring the system of collective patriarchal government that the laws of God command.

Obviously I would like to ask Ryan, but I am sure he was more critical of the companies making their own policies and operating in a way that offends God. If a company first followed the Law of God, they would probably put profit aside and do well for their kin ...for one thing. A company would have to be a group of brothers (non-hierarchical) working together for each-other with the Law of God in mind. Love thy Brother, seek God first.

[Lang]

The difference between a leader and a ruler is philosophical. From what I understand:

Ruler = Someone who takes charge of the country/group/society and makes his own laws to rule over that groupd in specific.

Leader = Someone who takes charge of the country/group/society using a previously established set of laws.

In other words, the only difference in practice is that a ruler will create his own laws and rule to enforce them, and a leader will take charge of a people to enforce a previously established law, that in this case is the Bible/God's Law.

Given that, Hitler looked like a perfect leader making his people follow God's Law. He didn't create anything new, a few things he did:

1. Banned usury/corrupt banking system.

2. Banned race-mixing.

3. Expelled the jews.

4. Banned marxist abominations such as homossexualism, feminism and adultery.

5. Gave freedom to his people.

6. Made his people tougher, men stronger and women more feminine.

7. Fought against God's enemies untill his very death.

All these seven points are supported by the Bible and are part of God's Law. Maybe what you could have against him is his dislike for slavic people, thats all. As to "Heil Hitler", I wouldn't mind saying "Heil Moses" if I lived in that time. As Mark said, God sends saviors to us, and demonstrating higher respect/reverence than the normal is perfectly ok.

Its important to note that while both the communists and America had pentagrams to represent their jewish masters on the battlefield, Germany was the only country to have a cross representing them on the battlefield. Their uniform was basically a modern version of the Order of the Teutonic Knights.

EDIT: My english is getting better I could understand 90% of the words he said. Looking at him while he speaks is of a great help though.

[Fenwick]

Ruler = Someone who takes charge of the country/group/society and makes his own laws to rule over that groupd in specific.

Leader = Someone who takes charge of the country/group/society using a previously established set of laws.

I've seen it said that an authoritarian exercises his power for the benefit of his people, whilst a totalitarian does it only at his own whim. It sounds much the same as the difference between a leader and a ruler.

Its important to note that while both the communists and America had pentagrams to represent their jewish masters on the battlefield, Germany was the only country to have a cross representing them on the battlefield. Their uniform was basically a modern version of the Order of the Teutonic Knights.

Well the British army flag had three crosses on it as well, as did those of several minor players in the war. But they weren't exactly living up to it's ideals.

[Lang]

Well the British army flag had three crosses on it as well, as did those of several minor players in the war. But they weren't exactly living up to it's ideals.

Wasnt the british war flag three circles -blue, white and red? Or a lion with 2 swords?

[Fenwick]

Well the British army flag had three crosses on it as well, as did those of several minor players in the war. But they weren't exactly living up to it's ideals.

Wasnt the british war flag three circles -blue, white and red? Or a lion with 2 swords?

Oh you mean the aircraft roundels? I suppose you'd be right about that, but the three colours are to represent the crosses of St Andrew, St George and St Patrick. The standard army flag was a union jack variant, but even the lion flag has crosses in the form of St Edward's crown. Hehe sorry, I enjoy heraldry.

I suppose the issue is less about who had the cross on their standard, and who had it in their minds. It was after all the Germans who reopened churches in soviet Russia.

[Lang]

Anyway, the 2 Babylon giants (zionist west and communist east) in the war still were represented by pentagrams. And these beasts were the real winners.