Rapture/Left Behind

[barryw]

Hi Mr. Finck...I am in C.I. and I am agreeable with your overall doctrine. I am confused on the idea of "I want to be left behind" and you don't think the rapture thing is correct. My question is what about
1Cor:15:51-54 and 1 Thes:4:15-18. I always thought that the believers would be removed prior to God's actual wrath and the changing of the earth. I understand the question that if we are all gone then who inherits the earth. maybe the raptured believers get sent back to the earth,crazier things have happened?

[Commander00McBragg]

Bill certainly will have his own take but for now please read this:

http://www.demonbuster.com/rapture.html

The rapture is a modern delusion created in the early 1800s, [with earlier Catholic roots] it is a doctrine of demons and the fruits of it are evident.. it puts Christians to sleep because they think they are "getting out of here before things get very bad".. so then they reason : "why do works?"

We are not going anywhere.. not for now at least

[barryw]

Thanks...that was helpful

[JamesTheJust]

Barry,

We know that in the parable of the wheat and the tares, the tares are gathered FIRST for burning, then the wheat is gathered into the barn. I believe this was mentioned in Bill's article, but it is worth repeating, IMO.

[wmfinck]

On the so-called Rapture Doctrine

The rapture doctrine is a false doctrine developed by the Dispensationalists, which basically absolves all of the wicked races and institutions of World History of their crimes. It is a cover for the jews, and it should be, since the jew Rothschild agent Samuel Untermeyer and his Lotus Club affiliates bought and paid for these false doctrines, to ensure that they would forever corrupt the minds of American Christians – and they have!

In the Gospels it is called the Kingdom OF Heaven, and NOT the Kingdom IN Heaven!!! In the ONE PRAYER that Yahshua taught His students to pray, we see it recorded:

Luke 11:1-4:
“1 And it came to pass, while He was in a certain place praying, as He had stopped, one of His students said to Him: ‘Prince, teach us to pray, just as Iohannes had also taught his students.’ 2 So He said to them ‘When you pray, you say: ‘Father, Your Name must be sanctified. Your kingdom must come. 3 Give to us each day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our errors, for we also forgive all those indebted to us. And do not bring us into trial’.’

Matthew 6:7-11:
“7 And those praying should not babble on repeatedly just as the heathens, for they suppose that by their many words they shall be heard. 8 Therefore do not become like them, for your Father knows that which you have need of before you ask Him! 9 Therefore thusly are you to pray: ‘Our Father who is in the heavens: Your name must be sanctified; 10 Your kingdom must come; Your will must be done, as in heaven also upon the earth! 11 Give to us our bread sufficient for today, 12 and remit for us our debts, as we also have remitted for our debtors. 13 And do not bring us into trial, but deliver us from the Evil One.’”

Paul of Tarsus:
Paul was not teaching anything contrary to what Yahshua said. A lot of Paul’s words are indeed difficult to understand, but he never taught the rapture doctrine that the Dispensationalists contrive. Paul said that we shall “all be changed”, and that to me indicates a return to the state in which Adam existed in before his transgression. Wesley Swift called it the “Shekinah Glory”. Paul did NOT say “we shall all go live in heaven”. The Kingdom of Yahweh must come here. The tares are first taken, and burned in the fire. THEN the wheat is gathered. Many false and judaized so-called Christians are going to actually be mad when that happens!

Here are the segments of Scripture which are usually referred to by the Dispensationalists, and my footnotes from The Letters of Paul:

I Thessalonians 4:13-18:

13 Now we do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are falling asleep,[29] in order that you would not be grieved, and just as the rest who have no expectation. 14 For if we believe that Yahshua had died and rose up, in this manner Yahweh also through Yahshua will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we say to you by word of the Prince: that we, the living, those left remaining until the coming of the Prince, no way would come before those who have fallen asleep; 16 because the Prince Himself with a command, by a chief messenger’s [30] voice and with a trumpet of Yahweh shall descend from heaven, and those dead among the number of the Anointed [31] shall rise up first. 17 Then we, the living who are remaining, at once with them shall be carried off in clouds for a meeting with the Prince in air,[32] and in that manner always with the Prince we shall be. 18 So encourage one another with these words.

29. D and M have “those having fallen asleep”; the text follows א, A, and B.
30. “chief messenger”, ἀρχάγγελος (743), is typically written “archangel”; the word appears elsewhere in the N.T. only at Jude 9.
31. ἐν χριστῷ, “among the number of the Anointed”, see the note at Rom. 8:1.
32. ἐν νεφέλαις (νεφέλη, 3507) is literally “in clouds” but may metaphorically mean “in throngs” (compare Heb. 12:1) and so may not necessarily indicate any supernatural act here. εἰς ἀέρα (ἀήρ, 109) is most literally “into air” and certainly does seem to suggest a supernatural act on the surface of the phrase. Note that to Greeks, whose literature Paul was well acquainted with (Titus 1:12; Acts 17:28, the note at I Cor. 15:33 et al.) the atmosphere was divided into three layers: ἀήρ was the lowest layer, the air around us, and was opposed to the αἰθήρ (“ether”), the upper atmosphere or “sky”, above which was οὐρανός (3772), “heaven” or more properly in our modern dialect, “space”. αἰθήρ does not appear in the N.T. ἀήρ is used by Paul elsewhere at Eph. 2:2, and I Cor. 9:26 and 14:9. The word also appears at Acts 22:23, and Rev. 9:2 and 16:17. Eph. 2:2 offers the most, although scant, insight into Paul’s application of the word here: for it seems to connote the physical world, as opposed to the spiritual, both of them being equally real in Paul’s rather enlightened perspective: even if there are many doubters today. Here my comments have already exceeded the purposes of these notes.

I Corinthians 15:45-5:

44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; if there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual. 45 And just as it is written, “The first man[251] Adam came into a living soul,”[252] the last Adam[253] into a life producing Spirit.[254] 46 But the spiritual was not first; rather the natural, then the spiritual: 47 the first man from out of earth, of soil; the second man from out of heaven.[255] 48 As he of soil, such as those also who are of soil; and as He in heaven, such as those also who are in heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of that of soil, we shall also bear the likeness of that of heaven. 50 But this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood are not be able to inherit the kingdom of Yahweh, nor does decay inherit incorruption.

[What Paul is saying here, is that if you do not have the spirit which Adam had, which came from heaven and which we get through a physical seed, then you have no part in the restoration!]

251. B wants the word “man” here.
252. p. Gen. 2:7.
253. P 46 wants the second occurrence of “Adam”.
254. “soul” here is ψυχή (5590), “spirit” πνεῦμα (4151), see the notes at 2:14 and 15:44.
255. A and M have “the second man the Prince from out of heaven”, P 46 “the second man spiritual from out of heaven”; the text follows א, B, C, and D.

I Corinthians 15:51-54:

51 Behold I tell you a mystery, we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed.[256] 52 In an instant, in a dart of an eye, with the last trumpet; for it shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,[257] and we shall be changed. 53 This decay wants to be clothed in incorruptibility, and this mortal to be clothed in immortality. 54 And when this decay shall have put on incorruptibility,[258] and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then the word that has been written shall come to pass: “Death has been swallowed in victory.”[259] 55 "Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?”[260, 261]

256. א and C have “we shall sleep, but not all shall be changed”, P 46 has “we shall not all sleep, and not all shall be changed”, D has “we shall all be resurrected, but not all shall be changed”. The text follows B and M, and the other mss. do not have any variations at 15:52 which would justify their readings of this verse in context.
257. A and D have “and the dead shall be resurrected incorruptible”; the text follows P 46, א, B, C, and M.
258. P 46, א, C, and 088 are wanting “this decay shall have put on incorruptibility”; A transposes “decay...incorruptibility” with “mortal...immortality”; the text follows B, D, and M.
259. q. Isa. 25:8.
260. D transposes the words “victory” and “sting” here, as does M, which also has “Hades” (A.V. “Grave”) for the second occurrence of “Death”; the text follows P 46, א, B, C, and 088.
261. p. Hos. 13:14.

[barryw]

Thanks Bill.....I can see what your saying. With all that you just said it goes hand in hand with all the numerous verses that the rightous will not be removed but the wicked will be taken out. I guess with Paul you really have to try to read between the lines but once again scripture will translate scripture!