Fish Symbol at Christogenea

[JoePennsylvania]

In 1 Samuel 5 the bible tells the story of the Philistines and their capture and placement of the Ark of the Covenant into The Temple of Dagon. Dagon was a fish god to the philistines. This got me thinking about the Jesus Fish Symbol and its use at the Christogenea Website and Forum Website. My Question: "is this symbol pagan and should it be used by followers of Yahweh" ? I will try and bring up this topic at the monday evening teamspeak broadcast, or maybe you can address it Bill at the start of the Show.

[wmfinck]

Joe, the lion images in your avatar have been used by Zulu chieftains for thousands of years. Are you relating yourself to those Zulu chieftains?

The fish, ΙΧΘΥΣ in Greek, was used as a Christian symbol from the earliest times. Clement mentions such use in the second century AD.

ΙΧΘΥΣ is an acronym for the Greek words translated "Iesus Christ God Son Saviour" (Iesus CHristos THeos Uios Soter). That, with the prevalence of the fish in the gospel, led to its use as a Christian symbol.

Here are some early Christian images of the use of the ΙΧΘΥΣ (ICHTHUS) or fish symbol:

Early Christian ichthys sign carved into marble in the ruins of Ephesus, Turkey

Funerary stele of Licinia Amias, one of the most ancient Christian inscriptions. Upper tier: dedication to the Dis Manibus and Christian motto in Greek letters ΙΧΘΥC ΖΩΝΤΩΝ / Ikhthus zōntōn ("fish of the living"); middle tier: depiction of fish and an anchor; lower tier: Latin inscription “LICINIAE AMIATI BE/NEMERENTI VIXIT”. Marble, early 3rd century CE. From the area of the Vatican necropolis, Rome.

[45aue]

Joe, the lion images in your avatar have been used by Zulu chieftains for thousands of years. Are you relating yourself to those Zulu chieftains?

Bill, When you show me where the Zulu's Captured the Ark of the Covenant ill stop using the lions in my avatar.
Also, the Lion is used by Yahweh to represent one of the 12 Tribes. I dont recall Him using any Fish Symbols.

I still think its "FISHY" to use a symbol that is so prevalent and known in mains stream Judeo Christianity.

It seems like we Sons of Yahweh would be better represented in the image of a sheep or a stalk of wheat then a fish, since Messiah often referred to His people with those symbols. Why even a Lion would be a better symbol at this website since most of the members of christogenea are desendants of the Tribe of Judah.

Anyway, it was just something that came to my mind as i read the scriptures and wanted to bring up for a discussion/answer.

[egerkurt]

Joe: Perhaps you are familiar with the writings of Roger Hathaway? He is Dual-seedline and has devoted much energy to understanding Astrology's/Astronomy's place in Bible history. He explains Pisces, the Fish here:

http://divinepageant.com/CHRIST%20IN%20 ... htm#PISCES

Bill: I know your feelings about astrology and I am not advocating practicing it as an art. But if Yahweh intended to give an understanding of the heavens to his elect I wouldn't want the "New-Agers" of today to steal that from us.

Kurt

[Gallowglass]

Good explanation from Bill.Also,I don't see anything wrong, all the animals were YHWH creations... and we can use them as symbols,like Lions,Eagles etc they represent the glory of God.

[JoePennsylvania]

Joe: Perhaps you are familiar with the writings of Roger Hathaway? He is Dual-seedline and has devoted much energy to understanding Astrology's/Astronomy's place in Bible history. He explains Pisces, the Fish here:

http://divinepageant.com/CHRIST%20IN%20 ... htm#PISCES

Bill: I know your feelings about astrology and I am not advocating practicing it as an art. But if Yahweh intended to give an understanding of the heavens to his elect I wouldn't want the "New-Agers" of today to steal that from us.

Kurt

Kurt
Thanks for the link. I tend to believe Yahweh reveals much in the stars concerning our past, present and Future.

[LegionOfSaints]

I've never read Roger Hathaway! Does anyone know where I can get some of his books???

[PILGRIM]

This Roger Hathaway has an extremely complicated and thoroughly unbiblical theory of future events based upon the zodiac that basically has events yin-ing and yang-ing back and forth between Yahweh and Satan, good and evil over long periods of time. Below are just a few random snippets from his website (I'm certainly not willing to spend hours of time on THIS ). You can hopefully see for yourself that this is in no way biblical and, also hopefully, see that this is an excellent example of one of the many wrong paths offered to lure Yahweh's people from the truth, in this case, as with so many, with "insider" and "special" or "hidden" (occult) knowledge. Satan has many lures and hopefully a word to the wise is sufficient. I am not providing the link here because I won't put up a marker sign pointing down the broad path for anyone to follow. If anyone is insistent on pursuing such matters they will have to dig them out for themselves.

SAGITTARIUS: (ca. 6,000AD to 8,000AD)

Is it just a coincidence that the symbol for this age is an arrow pointing upward to the right, exactly toward the apex of the sine-wave diagram?
Let's compare this age of Sagittarius to its Polar opposite 12,000 years previous, GEMINI. It was in Gemini, just before God's children reached the lowest level of depravity and worldly belief that God re-activated His indwelling Spirit within them. See the sine-wave diagram. The appearance of Adam was a new entry of Christ into the dynamic play after a period of absence. So, it will be at this reciprocal time that Satan, having been cast into fire at 2nd Death at start of Pergamos, re-enters the pageant during Sagittarius, perhaps about 6,500AD, at a time when God's children have nearly reached the apex of their union with the Supreme Mind of the Throne of God, a perfection of Spirit. It is this height of relationship with our Father for which we yearn so intensely. It is this which enables us to turn from the sensational delights of Satan's kingdom to climb the long and difficult upward trek toward our Father's Palace. It is this Oneness with Him, the God who is our very source, the One who expresses Himself in and through our lives, the One who empowers our four natures, the One who experiences whatever we do, that is the substance of our being. It is this Oneness which is the real "me", and I can't help but yearn for it with all the intensity of my life. And it is here, during Sagittarius, that I finally achieve again that which I had abandoned nearly 24,000 years ago.

...It is during this Decan of DRACO that Satan returns to the stage where he will play his most important role, to successfully tempt God's perfected ones to abandon their Father's presence in order to enjoy the sensations which are forbidden to Spirit-beings who share such union with the Supreme God.

...It is during this Decan of ARA that the church age of Thyatira begins. Strangely, this moment in the span of long term history is when God's children are attaining the highest pinnacle of their Spirit yearnings. God's message to them is first, praise for their long trek and that their last works are more than their earlier ones, BUT He screams against them that they are too tolerant of Satan's seductive temptations. Consider His message to this church age, that He makes more clearly than anywhere else the CONTRAST between worldly tolerance and Overcoming. He promises to one who overcomes an anointment to make him an authority, a Shepherd over His people, a Morning Star, possibly an office of being a "Jesus", perhaps for the next cycle.

...THYATIRA CHURCH AGE: (ca. 7224AD to 8959AD)

...FOURTH QUARTER CYCLE OF HISTORY: 8,000 AD TO 14,000 AD - INTELLECTUAL
SCORPIO: (ca. 8,000AD to 10,000AD)

...The Supreme Almighty God expressed Himself into a manifest reality by the dynamic interplay of two opposing energies: positive and negative. On the performance stage God set forth two races of humans, each provided with an instinctive compulsion to express one of those energies exclusively.


...LIBRA: (ca. 10,000AD to 12,000AD) is the SCALES. Here we are at midway between the apex of a cycle and the moment when Heaven will be violently overthrown in order to transition into World.Since the Fall, God's Men have been moving further from God, tolerating more and more of Jezabel/Satan's temptations, and losing their Godly powers and creativity. They are still in the kingdom of Heaven, and still being directed by the Head of the Christ, and still capable of wondrous things beyond our imaginations. They seem to be experiencing the process which is defined by the three Decans of this zodiac age: they had the CROWN, they are VICTIMS of their unGodly lusts, and they are perishing on that SOUTHERN CROSS in darkness. At the apex of the cycle, their holiness was an incomparable weight on the God side of the scales, but here is that time when their holiness is not enough to prevent their ungodliness from weighing the most. The scales tips from the CROWN to the CROSS. In the sky, the SCALES sits astride the ecliptic plane, half below and half above.

Deu 18:10-12
(10) There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
(11) Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
(12) For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

[LegionOfSaints]

I do believe that I read some of his stuff in federal prison along with the thick tome called the OFFENDING LINK REMOVED along with hours and hours of Rune studies OFFENDING REFERENCE REMOVED

I have read alot of stuff but was introduced to a theistic devil worshipper cult OFFENDING LINK REMOVED in 1975 (he was a priest in the Church Of Satan), after he split with Anton Lavey and the Church Of Satan. I could never understand why someone would actually worship an evil being. That stuff freaked me out.

Right now I am in the process of writing an essay called the Age Of Satan. When I finish with it I will post it here, if know one minds.

But yes Pilgrim, most Occult paths, are just pathways to hell and damnation.

[PILGRIM]

But yes Pilgrim, most Occult paths, are just pathways to hell and damnation.

Wrong. Not "most" but ALL.

This is a Christian board and we do not promote anything remotely occult. I suggest you re-read the quote above from Deuteronomy. Accordingly, the inappropriate links and references you provided above to occult and satanic study sites have been removed. If this thread continues in this vein it will be locked and moved to the Septic Tank. Please think twice before you post such material here in the future.

Right now I am in the process of writing an essay called the Age Of Satan. When I finish with it I will post it here, if know one minds.

That will depend entirely upon its contents.