bahr wrote:Be careful here. You should have said something like: "In my opinion, as soon as someone tries to tell you how or when Babylon will fall, and tries to convince you of the same, and do that for the love of money or for the love of their own ego, they lose all credibility and should be convinced as false prophets".
Otherwise you are saying that Clifton Emahiser, for example, has lost all credibility and should be convinced as false prophet (see his paper http://emahiser.christogenea.org/problems-ezekiel-38-and-39-prophetic-attack-russia-united-states). I don't think Emahiser published this paper for the love of money or for his own ego, even if he may be in error on certain things concerning this prophecy, obviously.
Clifton did go quite far into imagining the How of Ezekiel 38 & 39, and we have spoken about this paper of his on the chat server quite a few times. He would write it differently today.
It was an honest attempt to sort out certain terms in Ezekiel literally, and Clifton issued a disclaimer for it in the pericope which I will quote below. The false prophets usually issue no disclaimers, but proceed unabashedly with their warnings of imminent doom and gloom.
Here are a couple of paragraphs from Clifton's closing page, and I will highlight Clifton's disclaimers:
At this point, we have to ask ourselves: Why would the enemy plan something like what has been described here? Well, if you consider that the main objective of the enemy is to destroy the White race by miscegenation (race-mixing), then you can see a twofold objective here: (1) To gain police control of the United States and (2) To bring in all of these Mongol hordes to commit miscegenation with the Whites. We know that the enemy is using political, religious and monetary control to bring about their goal of destroying us, but all these revolve around their racial program.
This Mongol invasion, if pulled off, could be a very dangerous racial tool. Many would go ahead and mix, saying, “these Russians look white like us.” Anyone who would object to such a mixture, knowing the Russians were part Mongol, would be very much vilified. I can just see, in my mind, a protracted concentrated drive, on the part of the Churches, to adopt a Russian baby.
You may not agree with all that I have presented here, but if you have read and studied all the facts I have introduced, you’ll have to admit you now know more about Ezekiel 38 and 39 than you did before! For any of you who think you can portray a better scenario on this prophecy, you certainly are more than welcome to do so! As I said before, I am not a prophet; I only try to understand what the prophets wrote in times past. Exactly when all of these things are going to happen, I cannot precisely say, but you can be sure, being prophesied by the Spirit of Yahweh through the prophets of old, they will happen, and right on Yahweh’s schedule. They will not be premature nor late.
Clifton wrote that paper in the mid-1990's, so while a lot of the handwriting was already on the wall, the immigration problem was not nearly as bad as it is now. He was following in the footsteps of Comparet and Swift, and elaborating on how they also envisioned the chapters of Ezekiel to be fulfilled in their own near future.
And the possibility of a military invasion of the United States cannot be excluded, especially with all of the sabre-rattling going on with the Russians. But we should understand that prophecy is not always fulfilled literally, and the meanings of symbols are usually not evident until the prophecy is fulfilled. So trying to predict the "how" is often as futile as trying to predict the "when".
As far as race-mixing with Mongol-looking Russians, that is already going on, and it is all up and down the Gulf Coast. There are also tens of thousands of Chinese and other orientals now setting up colonies here in the Southeast U.S. Never thought I would see so many chinks on the highways of Georgia and Alabama...