The Stranger of Isa. 14:1-2

[Lilkanga]

1 For YHWH will have mercy on Jacob, and will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land. The strangers will be joined with them, and they will cling to the house of Jacob. 2 Then people will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them for servants and maids in the land of YHWH; they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors.

I would like to hear what others have to say on this passage. Who are the strangers of Isa. 14:1. It sounds like the Negroes, who now rule over us. I think it is important to consider the verses in this chapter deal with the King of Babylon, who I make no bones about, is our current President.

Thoughts?

Joey

[Unnamed]

Except for the reference to servants and handmaids, I'd see this prophecy as referring to the Edomites. Your viewpoint makes sense too, and is probably correct.

[matthewott]

Actually, gentlemen, the strangers mentioned here can only be Adamites. The Israelites were to suffer no non-Adamites in their midst. If the Israelites were able to liberate fellow Adamites from their oppressors, they were then owed a debt of gratitude and would, and should, become servants of their liberators. Yahweh made provisions in Levitical law for the allowance of "strangers" to become Israelite "citizens". I believe it is allowed after the third generation. Obviously, these "strangers" would HAVE to be Adamites to be allowed to assimilate into the tribes of Israel. There is no mention of "slave" in these verses, which would be the only position within Israelite society non-Adamites would exist, and even then I'm not sure that was even allowed. "Servants and maids" were essentially paid job positions within the Israelite community. Since the Israelite community was completely family oriented, "paying jobs" and "job positions" were reserved for "strangers" who had no family stake in the job being performed. Adamites from outside Israel had no claim to land, and thus would have to become someone's "laborer". To assume blacks and jews would be allowed to "join with/cling to" the House of Jacob is quite ludicrous, not to mention these positions required something called work ethic . Heck, each one of us were strangers to each other until we met here, and we're all Israelites!

Yah Bless,
Matt

[EighthDayWoman]

I would recommend reading all of Isaiah ch 14 & 13.

This passage in Isaiah refers to the latter days that we are in now. Stranger in verse 1 is the Hebrew word ger, not Nekar, which refers to the heathen or those not of your race.
Ger is a political alien, but is still of your race(reference).
http://newchristiancrusadechurch.com/sermons/sermon3.htm

As I read on, it is referring to being oppressed by the ones who are to serve us, in our government.
3And it shall come to pass in the day that Yahweh shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

These politicians in our government of our own race have sold us out to the jews and are our political aliens.
We Israel are being oppressed by this Babylonian system, in the land Yahweh gave to Israel for our inheritance: this New Jerusalem.

25That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

26This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

Yahweh will break that jewish yoke from the whole world and has been wringing the neck of the nations.

In verse 4, my Bible concordance takes me to Isaiah 13:19.
Isaiah 13:19

19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

Now I as a second witness, I will refer to Revelation 18:

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

That great city Babylon that is the habitation of devils where Yahweh was crucified will be destroyed as Sodom and Gomorrah.


Revelation 11:8
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also Yahweh was crucified.

Yahweh will bring a true holocaust and the saints, the elect, will be victorious.

[Unnamed]

I still have a lot to learn.

[matthewott]

Acknowledging such is half the battle, Victor. I don't have near the scriptural knowledge that I should, that's why I rarely try to quote scripture from memory. Most of my applied knowledge comes from the common sense application of my scriptural and historical knowledge. As far as I'm concerned, I will NEVER be knowledgeable enough. However, what I do know I'm more than happy to apply to whatever situation I can see that my limited knowledge is applicable. No matter how much I read or study, I'm perfectly ok with knowing that there are many others out there who will always know more than me. With that being said, I'm content to put in my 2 cents, then wait for the elders to contribute their dollar so I can go back to school.

Yah Bless,
Matt

[wmfinck]

1 For YHWH will have mercy on Jacob, and will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land. The strangers will be joined with them, and they will cling to the house of Jacob. 2 Then people will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them for servants and maids in the land of YHWH; they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors.

I would like to hear what others have to say on this passage. Who are the strangers of Isa. 14:1. It sounds like the Negroes, who now rule over us. I think it is important to consider the verses in this chapter deal with the King of Babylon, who I make no bones about, is our current President.

Thoughts?

Joey

The Greek historians, namely Diodorus Siculus, point out the the Scythians in their migration beyond the Caucasus actually did take into captivity tribes of the Assyrians and Medes, who had been the captors of the israelites, thus fulfilling this Scripture. Of course, the Assyrians (Asshur) and Medes (Madai) were both White Adamic peoples. From the twelfth paragraph of my essay, The Race of Genesis 10:

There are good indications that the Medes are found in the Slavs of today. The Slavs may be traced to a people that the Romans and Greeks called Sauromatae (Sarmatians). Diodorus Siculus, discussing certain Sakae (Scythian) Kings, states that “It was by these kings that many of the conquered [by the Scythians] peoples were removed to other homes, and two of these became very great colonies: the one was composed of Assyrians and was removed to the land between Paphlagonia and Pontus [modern day Turkey along the southern shore of the Black Sea], and the other was drawn from Media and planted along the Tanaïs [a river north of the Caucasus mountains which empties into the Black Sea from the northeast], its people receiving the name Sauromatae. Many years later this people became powerful and ravaged a large part of Scythia...” (Diodorus Siculus 2.43.5-7). And with this, we having so many Slavs among us today, we have the realization of the fulfillment of Gen. 9:27, which will be discussed below.

Hope this helps,
Bill

[Unnamed]

they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors.

The confusing part for me is figuring out who "they" are at the beginning of this sentence; if "they" are the house of Jacob, then Bill's angle makes sense.

Just reading it straight, I have to guess "they" means the house of Jacob.

[wmfinck]

"They [Israel] will take them [Adamic Assyrians and Babylonians] captive whose captives they were"
Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus attest that the Scythians did indeed take many of the Assyrians, Medes, and other tribes as slaves when they withdrew from Mesopotamia across the Caucasus.