by wmfinck » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:17 pm
Relevant to this thread, This is a Skype transcript from a conversation I had with Brother Ryan late last night. I hope he does not mind me posting it.
Ryan was arguing in a separate Skype conversation, and Skyped me for feedback and, I guess, some input. I will add some quotes and things for clarification. I only omitted things of a personal nature.
I did not get involved directly with the 3rd party, and will obscure his name here for his own privacy.
[9:41:08 PM] Bro. Ryan: X and I are arguing over you.
[9:59:25 PM] William Finck: LOL why is that?
[10:00:39 PM] Bro. Ryan: It is VERY SERIOUS. This has been building up for a while and I have been seeing it coming. I am not going to tolerate it anymore.
[10:01:07 PM] William Finck: Wow, did Eli James infect his brain again?
[10:01:38 PM] William Finck: Or am I a jew now, LOL
[10:02:46 PM] Bro. Ryan: No, he has said: "... He openly stated in his speech at Mark Downey's church that the goal of his ministry was to spread the "All whites are saved" doctrine. The doctrine did not originate with Swift it originated with Lanz Von Liebenfels who was an Austrian Occultist/Gnostic. "
[10:03:57 PM] William Finck: LOL the "All Whites are saved" assertion is directly tied to Malachi chapter 4 and the Elijah prophecy, and I do not give a fuck about any Lanz Von Liebenfels
[10:04:09 PM] William Finck: X is arguing with Scripture, not with me.
[10:04:17 PM] Bro. Ryan: I know that Bill. I am letting him have it.
[10:04:21 PM] William Finck: Isaiah 45, ROmans 5 and 1 Corinthians 15
[10:04:34 PM] William Finck: I got 3 witnesses, and more
[10:04:54 PM] Bro. Ryan: I told him: "Bill has CLEARLY laid out WHY he believes ALL Adamites will receive eternal life, and NOT once, X, does he site ANY other reason, or writer, or Identist, he cites BIBLE VERSES ONLY. So whether he is right or wrong, YOU are required to show from Scripture where he is wrong. But to say he is teaching a Gnostic teaching is absolute bullshit, He cites NO Gnostic writings and only Bible verses. So WHAT is your REAL issue with Bill?? He has always tried to be nice to you. And Emry cited only Bible verses for believing it as well, NO Gnostic or Jewish writings (like Swift did)."
[10:07:45 PM] William Finck: Well, thanks, I am sorry X is stuck on stupid, but what you said is true.
[10:08:24 PM] William Finck: The only passage I quote in relation to that teaching which is outside of the 66 books is in the Wisdom of Solomon chapter 2, and that is not Gnostic, LOL
[10:08:44 PM] William Finck: And I prove the point without that.
[10:09:14 PM] William Finck: It is not my fault that many CI teachers before me do not get it.
[10:09:34 PM] William Finck: BUT both Clifton Emahiser AND Mark Downey generally agree with me on that point now.
[10:09:47 PM] William Finck: So X can kick them to the curb as well.
[10:10:41 PM] William Finck: All Whites are saved because this world was fucked up from the beginning, and we are all a product of this fucked up world, so we are learning from it.
[10:11:16 PM] William Finck: If half of us go to hell, where is the lesson when only the fucking goodie-twoshoes are saved? THAT is a joke.
[10:12:01 PM] Bro. Ryan: His hostility towards you is not really based on his disagreeement with you on that doctrine. I am not sure what, but he turned against you a while back.
[10:12:11 PM] William Finck: The power and glory of Yahweh lies in the fact that all Whites are saved because HE created us to be immortal.
[10:12:27 PM] William Finck: Yeah, well, I cannot help that.
[10:12:39 PM] Bro. Ryan: Me neither, bro.
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[10:19:03 PM] Bro. Ryan: I tried hard to get him to bring up his concerns about the All Adamite/Israel thing with you over a year ago. If you will remember I asked you FOR HIM about John 3:16 and the "perish" part, shortly after I moved here.
[10:20:33 PM] William Finck: Yeah, the John commentary is coming, next year, LOL, sorry
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[10:40:00 PM] Bro. Ryan: His answer: He said the entire focus of Christogenea is "to promote a doctrine that I absolutely disagree with."
[10:41:00 PM] William Finck: LOL, I do not think I said it quite that way, but that is indeed what we should be focused on. He disagrees with Scripture, and not with me, I am nobody to change the Word of Yahweh
[10:42:09 PM] Bro. Ryan: I just asked him: "So I guess you hate ALL Swift's work and Emry's as well, huh?"
[10:44:15 PM] William Finck: The purpose of Unity and Divisions was to show that the common salvation of all whites is the foundation for true unity, while the recognition that no one else is saved is where the real division should lie..
[10:44:28 PM] William Finck: And I stand by every word of it.
[10:44:42 PM] William Finck: If he does not believe it, he won't have me to answer to.
[10:45:25 PM] William Finck: I am teaching exactly what Paul taught, as I illustrated in the Colossians presentation from the other night.
[10:46:41 PM] William Finck: In different language, I am teaching exactly what Paul taught here in Colossians 3: "11 Where one is not Greek and Judaean, circumcision and uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, slave, free, but altogether and in all ways Anointed. 12 Therefore you put on (as elect of Yahweh, holy and beloved,) affections of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, forbearance, 13 being patient with one another and being forgiving to each other. If one should have a cause for complaint against anyone, then just as the Prince has forgiven you, so also you do."
[10:51:24 PM] William Finck: Right, Emry and Swift both taught all Israel, so far as I have heard.
[10:51:35 PM] William Finck: I know Swift better than Emry.
[10:52:12 PM] William Finck: X has Eli stuck in his head. Eli hates the all Israel doctrine. ALL universalists must reject that doctrine!
[10:52:22 PM] Bro. Ryan: Emry DEFINITELY taught it.
[10:53:07 PM] William Finck: If they can justify throwing one Israelite into the Lake of Fire, than they can justify squeezing a nigger into the Kingdom of Heaven, because Salvation is by behaviour, and not by the Word of God.
[10:53:30 PM] Bro. Ryan: This is what I told him just now: "You don't have to like Bill, but you do have recognize a man-of-God, and NO man-of-God is perfect or without personality flaws.
I don't know about ALL and EVERY White receiving Salvation, but I sure am not going to go around telling people that people are going to burn in Hell or be destroyed forever .... like I used to years back, because I do NOT believe that we can earn Salvation, nor do I believe that Whites of ancient times who did not know Yahweh will be destroyed for all eternity. I am seeing, that there is a much bigger picture to things now, and the scared religion bullshit is divisive, creates self-righteous pharisees and I am not going to be a part of that anymore, it is WRONG, it creates a WRONG unholy spirit ....just like when Christ rebuked the disciples for wanting to call fire down and told them they were not of the right spirit!
[10:53:31 PM] William Finck: Salvation is either by behavior OR by genetics.
[10:53:55 PM] Bro. Ryan: Great way to put it!! I like that!
[10:54:51 PM] William Finck: The Universalists insist that it is by behavior.
[10:55:23 PM] William Finck: The Whites of ancient times were saved, who sinned before the flood, which is the subject of 1 Peter 3&4.
[10:55:44 PM] William Finck: Christ preaching the gospel to the spirits in prison (Hades).
[10:56:06 PM] William Finck: If THEY can be saved, ANY Adamite can be saved.
[10:56:20 PM] William Finck: as Paul taught in Romans 5, 1 Corinthians 15.
[10:56:21 PM] Bro. Ryan: Well I also meant all Adamites that weren't Israelites as well as Israelites that "lost" their identity and Yahweh in the dispersions and European migrations.
[10:56:36 PM] William Finck: right
[10:56:57 PM] William Finck: there is a much bigger picture than even the relationship with Israel.
[10:57:28 PM] Bro. Ryan: See, that is a LOT of White people (in the past) and I just don't understand how God would doom them to eternal death when they had NO way of knowing about Him!
[10:58:36 PM] William Finck: right. there is a bigger picture, which I explained as well as I could presenting Romans chapters 5 & 6.
[10:59:03 PM] Bro. Ryan: X just told me Salvation is.... "It's by faith, works, and genetics.
Faith, and through faith we have works. And then obviously genetics."
[10:59:31 PM] William Finck: LOL, so he believes in works salvation, that man can save himself.
[10:59:42 PM] William Finck: he has salvation and reward confused.
[10:59:54 PM] William Finck: The apostles did not confuse salvation and reward.
[11:01:15 PM] Bro. Ryan: Right. I just told him.
[11:01:41 PM] William Finck: Proof: 1 Corinthians chapter 3:
[11:02:04 PM] William Finck: "13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
[11:02:25 PM] William Finck: I can prove everything I say through Scripture, or I would not fucking say it, OR you can shoot me.
[11:03:00 PM] William Finck: All these clowns that hate me only think they know what they are saying.
[11:03:52 PM] William Finck: Eli James hates "all Israel" and twists pretzels to refute it.
[11:04:04 PM] Bro. Ryan: The verse that really sticks out to me is where people are turned over to satan yet their spirits will be saved.
[11:04:34 PM] William Finck: Right, I would go there next, LOL
[11:04:41 PM] William Finck: that is in 1 Corinthians 5.
[11:05:28 PM] William Finck: "5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
[11:11:43 PM] Bro. Ryan: X said: "I believe you have to have FAITH to be saved. There are varying degrees of Faith. But it comes down to pure faith."
[11:14:30 PM] William Finck: LOL, that is outright funny.
[11:14:38 PM] William Finck: The promise is to Abraham, not to us.
[11:15:00 PM] William Finck: The faith of Abraham is what Abraham believed, not what we believe.
[11:15:09 PM] William Finck: What we believe does not matter.
[11:15:34 PM] William Finck: BUT hearing and believing, you keep the law and love your brother, and have hope of a better salvation.
[11:16:27 PM] William Finck: If X were a man about it, he would have confronted me with those questions
[11:17:54 PM] William Finck: instead of sniveling.
[11:20:47 PM] Bro. Ryan: I know. But he thinks you will be condescending towards him.
[11:21:18 PM] William Finck: LOL, but that to me is a sign of weakness. X would have a hard time in prison
[11:21:44 PM] William Finck: and I was never condescending, I just don't think he understands my humor.
[11:21:57 PM] Bro. Ryan: X: "Faith is not a work. You don't work on your faith God gives you faith." Me: RIGHT!!!! THINK ABOUT THE CORNER YOU JUST PAINTED YOURSELF IN X!!!
[11:22:29 PM] William Finck: The act of believing IS a work
[11:22:40 PM] William Finck: If you believe right, you can save yourself?
[11:23:09 PM] Bro. Ryan: Yea, I told him this: "Well you keep on thinking you have earned your Salvation by having faith. I know I am Saved even if I loose faith, because if salvation is based on ANYTHING I do, then I can earn it."
[11:23:12 PM] William Finck: In the first century, belief was an assurance of salvation.
[11:23:31 PM] William Finck: But it is irrelevant to everyone who has not heard the true gospel.
[11:23:52 PM] William Finck: Today Pentecostals "believe" in idols, so is that the right belief?
[11:24:08 PM] William Finck: The faith of Judeos that Jesus loves niggers, does that make them saved?
End of conversation, it was getting late here...
If a jew is moving his lips, he's lying. If you see a rabbi, there has already been a crime!