MichaelAllen wrote:
So, the point is our measure of good and evil CAN ONLY be Yahweh's law. Any other measure of good and evil is a counterfeit, and this is where all of the problems in our nations historically have begun....
So, I got to thinking about how all this fits together. In Melchizedek, there's only one office... and it has two roles: Civil magistracy and religious leader. It's one office... meaning, there is NO SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD!!!
...
Our religious belief IS our civil ethic, and vice versa.
But when I did Walking the Walk part 4 with Ryan, during which I tried to sum up many of these same sentiments that I put into writing in "Bible? Or Bureaucracy?", I was actually asked by some people "What does that have to do with 'walking the walk'? In truth, it has everything to do with walking the walk, because it IS the walk!
(http://christogenea.org/articles/bible-or-bureaucracy)
MichaelAllen wrote:
So, the point is our measure of good and evil CAN ONLY be Yahweh's law. Any other measure of good and evil is a counterfeit, and this is where all of the problems in our nations historically have begun....
So, I got to thinking about how all this fits together. In Melchizedek, there's only one office... and it has two roles: Civil magistracy and religious leader. It's one office... meaning, there is NO SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD!!!
I did a program with Mark Downey and Ken Lent on the US Constitution. Doing so, I quoted Thomas Paine where he had made the insistence that America did not need a King, because in America the Law of God was King. How wonderful a nation we may have been if we had abided with Thomas Paine in that belief! But instead, the infiltrators and heretics abused a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Christians are to be one body in Christ. The accomodations that the founders sought to make afforded the language which was later used to subvert the Republic.
If not all of the founders, with certainty at least most of the founders obviously would not have agreed with the idea of "separation of Christianity and State". But we have language barriers among ourselves even when we all appear to speak the same language, because different men process and understand various terms in different ways.
(Even today, so many fools believe that "church" and "Christianity" are synonyms. This is the same problem we have been discussing in a different context in this thread.)
In like manner, many of us agree with one another in substance even when we ourselves do not realize it, because we also have different understandings of certain terms.
MichaelAllen wrote:
The ancient world seemed to naturally understand that the city-state and the religion were connected, and it is something that we've lost since the time of perhaps Alexander the Great, although we had glimpses of it in the early Christian era, and even a few points in time since then. My CI friend Brad has actually done some very intense study about the fact that the ancients believed that when there was no temple, there was no creation. Now that seems to us today to be a wild thought, but the word 'create' comes from the word 'covenant' in Hebrew.
For the reasons you mentioned, the Romans knew that religion had to be regulated in order to keep the allegiance of the people bound to the State (i.e. Acts 16:21). The IRS also understands that, of course, and therefore regulates the bounds of religion which are acceptable to the State with the tax codes, while the people are still kept under the illusion that their respective religions have "freedom".
The conclusions which Brad has arrived at I can corroborate, at least so far as concerns early Egypt and early Sumer. The temples were each seen as, or their priests made the claim for them to be, the center of Creation. That seems to be an expression of a belief that by creation they referred to the society of a particular cult, and that the cult was the center of the greater culture.
That is also why all of the disgusting practices of the Canaanites are associated so closely to their gods. In the ancient world, civic life, personal practices and religion were all one and the same. If we follow Yahweh, we keep His law and therefore we do not accept alien abominations.
Modern people are just plain stupid for thinking that these things can be separately compartmentalized. By convincing us that there can be a separation of State, civic life, and religion, the Jew has legitimized his own desire to recreate Sodom and Gommorah in all Christian nations.
MichaelAllen wrote:
So what does all of this compute to? Well I believe it's quite simple: CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE THE GREATEST POTENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR CHRISTIAN IDENTITY!!
...
For me, it took 6 years after my initial exposure to the JFK assassination, and almost five years of actively seeking in the conspiracy theory circles before I found CI.
And this is a good perspective and expression of an idea that I tried to instigate a conversation in relation to here: http://forum.christogenea.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7699&p=22022#p22022
When I was introduced to CI, it was not quite a year after I was introduced to the conspiratorial view of history, which I had accepted, and it resonated with me instantly. So I sepnt the next 10 years in prison in the endeavor to prove whether it was indeed the absolute truth. Clifton Emahiser had also come to CI through the same avenue, by reading a plethora of books relating to the conspiratorial view of history. An understanding an acceptance of the conspiratorial view of history is indeed the best proving ground in preparation for accepting CI, although other routes have been taken.