Seed of Beast?

[Heather]

I read the kinsman redeemer article on free will earlier, and was wondering what you guys think about the scripture of sowing israel with the seed of man and beast. Is He saying He was going to make some of us commit suicide by mixing? Along that line, since God is ordering all of history, do you think He also orders who mates with whom? Recently coming to the exclusiveness of Israel (and struggling with it), I can't help but wonder if some ancestor 500 years ago was a perv, but have to trust that I'm ok without actually knowing.
I'm sure you have heard this before, and I searched as much as I could to see if the same had been asked.

[wmfinck]

I have discussed this section of Jeremiah at length in several articles and podcasts. Here is a start:

My latest podcasts on the non-White races in Scripture are found here:
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/nonadamites

The Immigration Problem and Biblical Prophecy:
http://christogenea.org/essays/immigrat ... l-prophecy

Commentary on Joel:
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/prophecy-joel-part-1
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/prophecy-joel-part-2
(part 2 especially)

Commentary on the Revelation
(if you listen to these, you really should listen to all 14 from the beginning)
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/revela ... 03-18-2011
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/revela ... 03-25-2011
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/revela ... 04-01-2011

[Kentucky]

I read the kinsman redeemer article on free will earlier, and was wondering what you guys think about the scripture of sowing israel with the seed of man and beast. Is He saying He was going to make some of us commit suicide by mixing? Along that line, since God is ordering all of history, do you think He also orders who mates with whom? Recently coming to the exclusiveness of Israel (and struggling with it), I can't help but wonder if some ancestor 500 years ago was a perv, but have to trust that I'm ok without actually knowing.
I'm sure you have heard this before, and I searched as much as I could to see if the same had been asked.

I received an email recently asking the same question and this was my response.

Back to Jer. 31:27. Taken as an isolated verse it would sound as if God
were going to engage in a little miscegenation, which would contradict
His Law. My perspective on this is that God gives man the desires of
his heart; OK, if it's sin you want, I'll give you tons of it; shades of
those who got tired of the manna, remember? and they gorged themselves
with quail, which God provided. God proves the cause and effect of
obeying and disobeying His Law all the time. The stranger (racial
alien) was not to dwell in Israelite lands - Exodus 23:33; that was the
Law and the standard. I don't really see Jer. 31:27 as a blessing, but
rather the fulfillment of divine judgment. If you look at our own
recent history, in 1964, the government passed the Civil Rights Act and
our reward has been rampant race mixing and a negro president. It's been
man playing God and God has reciprocated by sowing good and evil; you
reap what you sow... right? However, that does not betray God's plan
for the ages whereby something else trumps what some may think is
sanctioned by God. Quite the contrary, the universalism sown by the
wicked (one could say sown by God as did Jeremiah, but it must be taken
in context with chapters 30 and 31 and Ezek. 18) will be overthrown,
which is enunciated in many places regarding the destruction of the seed
of beasts and their empires. It's pretty much the world as we see it
today! Mt. 15:13 is but one example that supports my premise and is in
harmony with the rest of Scripture, to wit, "Every plant, which my
heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up."

Regarding the illusion of free will, in my article the point was the sovereignty of God, not man, and therefore His plan for ages are predestined. God does not make us to sin, we do that all by ourselves. God foresaw the fall of man, but He did not cause it. The Bible is loaded with cause and effect for our edification so that eventually, we can only come to the conclusion that our lives must be in agreement with the Word, rather than the Word fitting into our worldviews. Just remember that history is His story.

Mark

[Staropramen]

I can't help but wonder if some ancestor 500 years ago was a perv, but have to trust that I'm ok without actually knowing.

That's not something to worry about unless there is some specific area of concern that you are aware of. Very often when talking to people about CI I get the proverbial "how do you know that you don't have some [fill in the blank] blood? Knowing that the motive behind that question is to discredit Covenant Theology my answer is always this: "if I did how would that change scripture"? I look at it this way: My life will be the best life it could be by following Yahweh's laws regardless. This blindness is part of our punishment. God is just no matter what we are.

[Heather]

Thnk you , I'm working through the podcasts and essays. I think my kids think I'm crazy!
Tonight we went to dinner at a place with a playground, and my daughter came in and said, there's a lot of Asians out there, what's the deal here? I have taught them...my husband thinks I'm nuts.

[bahr]

Also, a must read:

http://christreich.christogenea.org/revelation

or the PDF version: http://files.christogenea.org/bahr/Finck/Revelation.pdf

[Joe]

Heather said

and my daughter came in and said, there's a lot of Asians out there, what's the deal here? I have taught them...my husband thinks I'm nuts.

I think it is great you are telling your children, and that they are weary of the beasts.

What Scripture says is more important than what people say.

And it is nuts to think that 'multiCULTuralism' is somehow natural.
Many people have a reaction when they hear something that conflicts with their brainwashing (from the cult). I also think God is the only one who can open our people's eyes, if our people fear God. That is the beginning of wisdom.

[Staropramen]

...my husband thinks I'm nuts.

That's ok. My lovely wife knows I'm nuts!

[Heather]

To be fair, my husband is pretty racist, he's not sure about the no one else is saved, but it's not imperative, right? He just thinks that teaching the kids to be racist so young will bite us in the ass at some point. I do have to say, that as time goes on, I care less and less if someone thinks I'm racist.

I see God's sovreign will in the natural attraction we have to people that look like us, and revulsion towards animal folk. When we force our way past that boundary, we suffer, but He did give us a defense in our natural inclinations. I was just waxing philosophical, wondering if He guides the mating of His elect.
It is amazing how people look at this demented world and say God loves and created everybody. That would make Him rather cruel in many cases. He made hideous, ugly retards? Then He wants them to live with us and try to get along in our society, which is impossible for them. Multicultural brainwashing erased common sense, it seems.

[Joe]

Heather said

I was just waxing philosophical, wondering if He guides the mating of His elect.

God does yoke man and wife together, there are many examples of this in the Bible.

I personally think that the people who were 'marrying and being given in marriage' in Noah's time were not brought together by God. Just like today; where people divorce and marry each other according to their own lust, ...getting married one night and then divorcing the next day lol.

It is amazing how people look at this demented world and say God loves and created everybody.

Some of the ugliness we see is because of our own sin, these weeds who live amongst us are a heavy punishment for our errors.

and revulsion towards animal folk.

It is difficult to come-up with an accurate label for those folk because God made the animals, but He didn't make those unnatural bastards.