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List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Staropramen » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:02 am

Joe wrote:From that weird looking rev's site:
We believe in the total redemption of spirit, mind, body and finances. James 5:14, Luke 4:18


I do not see anything about finances in those verses. What is the redemption of finances?
They have buried it in their elaborate 'statement of belief' ....whereas our 'statement of knowledge' is quite simple.


Luke 4:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


Well, it does in a way. the jews and the beasts steal from us because we allow them to do so. They are the "spots in our feasts of charity". An awakened Israel that accepts the true Gospel will have a cleansed land and the thieves will be gone. Without the parasites and their affirmative action a man can truly work hard, get payed and promoted accordingly and not worry about legally protected thieves. He will have increase. I also believe that individual Israelites can receive these blessings because of obedience while the multitude of Israel is simultaneously being punished.

How this crackpot woman interprets it though is another story.
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Staropramen » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:42 am

Think of all the wealth and prosperity Adolf Hitler gave back to Germany by applying Christian principles and rooting out the source of the problems. He addressed the poor, healed the brokenhearted, delivered the captives, opened the eyes of his people and gave them true liberty. Christianity in action!

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Michael » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:57 am

Jews are NOT Judeans!

I know this matter has been well explained at Christogenea and elsewhere in CI. However, I thought I would add it here just in case non-CI folk are reading through this thread.

The question of whether those claiming to be Judeans today are genetic descendents of the Judeans of the Scriptures has been addressed at length on the Christognea site, and within Christian Identity. Overwhelming evidence shows that those claiming to be racial Judeans today are in no way racial Judeans. However, Judeo-Christians claim that they are. Indeed, this is the basis for the very term “Judeo-Christian”, as the term describes the Jew / Gentile dogma.

In no way at all are those claiming to be Judeans actually racial Judeans. Judeo-Christians preach of a dichotomy of “Jews and Gentiles”, whereas the correct interpretation of Scripture is Judeans and Nations, that is, Judeans and Adamic Nations (racial Judeans being also an Adamic nation).

A critical starting point is the fact that the Sciptures are express in the position that to be an acceptable descendant of Adam before Yahweh (as Shem was), and therefore a member of the Nations to which Yahweh’s Covenants are made with, one must be a racially non-mixed descendant of the progenitor pair of Adam and Eve. Jews today are of mixed heritage, proven to be just the same as Arabs genetically.

(http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... ds-1.75273).

This should be sufficient evidence for any person to conclude that those claiming to be Judeans (or by heritage Shemitic/Semitic), are simply NOT. For those Judeos reading this…just think about it…the Hittites and Amorites, Kenites etc (descendants of Cain) existed after the flood yes?...It is written so. Thus, these Hittite, Kenite etc bipods must exist in today’s populations somewhere, yes? The Scriptures show (as well as history shows) that these bipods conquered and mingled with many nations in Mesopotamia ( Noting here that the Isrealites went North (Jeremiah) and the Judeans were to keep away from the Jews and other races (Christ, et al)). If those claiming to be Judeans today are the same or very similar racial stock to the present Arabs in Mesopotamia, then they ALSO are simply in part descendants of the Hittites, Amorates, Kenites, Edomites. The only difference is, as will be shown below, that those claiming to be Judeans today were brought into the Judean society in the century or so period before Christ, then they proceded to usurp that society, and eventually falsely claimed for themselves the identity of Isreal itself. Then they moved into the Khazarian mongoliod territory, converted them to Judaism (which is their Babylonian traditions, after they had also usurped the original white Babylon), mixed with them, then on into Eastern and Middle Europe.

Not only are these facts not understood by Judeo-Christians, but even in the so-called “White Nationalist” movement these facts are overwhelmingly misunderstood. For example, the person that took over the Northwest American Territorial Imperative idea from Pastor Butler, in complete disrespect for Pastor Butler, still refers to those claiming to be Jews as “Hebes”, ie Hebrews. This is completely poisoning for the White peoples message, as any white person who is racially aware, but still stuck in Judeo-Christianity (and lets face it…this describes the majority of racially aware folk in the US) will not follow such a movement as he/she knows that God chose the Isrealites/Hebrews as His people. Such person will in the best case simply not get involved with such an imperative, and in the worst case be likely willing to fight a war against such an imperative. This is why I personally believe the litmus test for whether a person is sincere in the “Movement” is their position on the racial identity of those today that claim to be Judeans. If one cannot name the true identity of those today claiming to be Judeans, then such a person has no place in White Nationalism, Christian or not. It is simply a matter of historical accuracy.

Some argue that notwithstanding some non-Judean blood existing in Jews, Jews still have a racial connection to the Judeans of the Scriptures. As outlined above, such claim is ridiculous given firstly that this question must be first and foremost underpinned by the scriptural law for Adam Kind of not mixing with other ethnicities, a law that has never been revoked, not by Yahshua Christ, Paul of Tarsus, or anyone else.

Even though Israel largely lost the knowledge of who they were and largely followed pagan deities, they still held onto the racial laws, and family and community structures. Those Israelites that did not hold on to the racial laws simply ended up mixed (erub/Arab), as we can see today in lands that were formerly inhabited by the Adamic race, such as the Middle East, the Asian Sub-Continent, North Africa.

The main points to focus on in this topic are the following:

1. Edomites, the mixed race line of Esau, were absorbed into Judea at the time of John Hyrcanus’ defeat of them around 130BC. Hyrcanus permitted them to stay in the newly conquered lands if they followed Judean laws, customs, and beliefs, which they did.

"John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of it's inhabitants to Judaism." (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews XIII 9,1) (Note: the use of the term Judaism here by Josephus is incorrect, as the laws and customs of the Judeans to this period were not known as Judaism as such, as it is a latter employed term to describe the laws that the Herodic / Edomite dynasty infused into the territory and its inhabitants.)

“As for Judaea, its western extremities towards Casius are occupied by the Idumaeans (Edomites) and by the lake. The Idumaeans are Nabataeans, but owing to a sedition they were banished from there, joined the Judaeans, and shared in the same customs with”. (Strabo: Geographies: Book 16, Chapter 2, Para 34)

"Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people." (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol 6, pg 378 [1971])

According to I Maccabees 5:3-8, the nation of Edom (Idumea) ceased to be in 126 BC when John Hyrcanus completed the conquest began in 163 BC by Judas Maccabeus, forcing the Edomites to be circumcised. According to Josephus - thereafter these Edomites were considered nothing other than Judeans.

Summary of Point One: The nation of Judea absorbed the neighboring Edomite peoples when the Judeans conquered Idumea. Therefore, from that point on Edomites were part of Judea. It follows that it must be analysed whether or not racial separation remained between the racial Judeans and the Edomites for the last approximately 2000 years. There is no evidence of this, therefore, they must be one mixed racial group. Which they are proven to be. Nothing more than Arabs, but with most having some Mongoloid blood infused with their mixture also with the Khazars.

2. The Herodic Dynasty rulers of Judea were racially Edomite. The Herods were not Judeans.

It was the Edomite Herods who ended the Judahite Maccabean dynasty and its Hasmonean high priestly family. It was the Herods who then appointed the high priests (including Annas), and took over the government of the Judeans, and finally lined up with Titus in the siege of Jerusalem.

“But there was a certain friend of Hycranus, an Idumean, called Antipater, who was very rich, and in his nature an active and a seditious man; who was at enmity with Aristobulus, and had differences with him on account of his good-will to Hyrcanus. It is true that Nicolaus of Damascus says, that Antipater was of the stock of the principal Jews who came out of Babylon into Judea; but that assertion of his was to gratify Herod, who was his son, and who, by certain revolutions of fortune, came afterward to be king of the Jews, whose history we shall give you in its proper place hereafter. However, this Antipater was at first called Antipas, and that was his father's name also; of whom they relate this: That king Alexander and his wife made him general of all Idumea, and that he made a league of friendship with those in Arabians, and Gazites, and Ascalonites that were of his own party, and had, by many and large presents, made them his fast friends. [11] But now this younger Antipator was suspicious of the power of Aristobulus, and was afraid of some mischief he might do him, because of his hatred to him; so he stirred up the most powerful of the Jews, and talked against him to them privately; and said that it was unjust to overlook the conduct of Aristobulus, who had got the government unrighteously, and ejected his brother out of it, who was the elder, and ought to retain what belonged to him by prerogative of his birth. [12] And the same speeches he perpetually made to Hyrcanus; and told him that his own life would be in danger, unless he guarded himself, and got shut of Aristobulus; for he said that the friends of Aristobulus omitted no opportunity of advising him to kill him, as being then, and not before, sure to retain his principality. [13] Hyrcanus gave no credit to these words of his, as being of a gentle disposition, and one that did not easily admit of calumnies against other men. This temper of his not disposing him to meddle with public affairs, and want of spirit, occasioned him to appear to spectators to be degenerate and unmanly; while Aristobulus was of a contrary temper, an active man, and one of a great and generous soul”. (Josephus, Antiquities Book 14, Chapter 1, Para 3)

(Note the mechanisms of deception used by Herod to gain power: using the good and friendly nature of the racially pure Judean to intimidate and deceive).


“Herodes had now a strong army; and as he marched on, Antigonus laid snares and ambushes in the passes and places most proper for them; but in truth he thereby did little or no damage to the enemy. [400] So Herodes received those of his family out of, and the fortress Oresa, and then went on for Jerusalem. The soldiery also that was with Silo accompanied him all along, as did many of the citizens, being afraid of his power; [401] and as soon as he had pitched his camp on the west side of the city, the soldiers that were set to guard that part shot their arrows and threw their darts at him; [402] and when some sallied out in a crowd, and came to fight hand to hand with the first ranks of Herodes's army, he gave orders that they should, in the first place, make proclamation about the wall, that he came for the good of the people, and for the preservation of the city, and not to bear any old grudge at even his most open enemies, but ready to forget the offences which his greatest adversaries had done him. [403] But, by way of reply to what Herodes had caused to be proclaimed, and this before the Romans, and before Silo also, said that they would not do justly, if they gave the kingdom to Herodes, who was no more than a private man, and an, i.e. a half Jew, whereas they ought to bestow it on one of the royal family, as their custom was”; (Antiquities, Book 14, Chapter 15, Para 2)

Overall, one must view the question of race in the context of the Adamic family. If one is of mixed race, then one cannot be part of the Adamic family, as Yahweh’s racial laws prohibit race mixing, and there is no such thing as evolution to account for the multitude of races.
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Joe » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:40 pm

Staropramen said
Well, it does in a way. the jews and the beasts steal from us because we allow them to do so. They are the "spots in our feasts of charity". An awakened Israel that accepts the true Gospel will have a cleansed land and the thieves will be gone. Without the parasites and their affirmative action a man can truly work hard, get payed and promoted accordingly and not worry about legally protected thieves. He will have increase. I also believe that individual Israelites can receive these blessings because of obedience while the multitude of Israel is simultaneously being punished.


Think of all the wealth and prosperity Adolf Hitler gave back to Germany by applying Christian principles and rooting out the source of the problems. He addressed the poor, healed the brokenhearted, delivered the captives, opened the eyes of his people and gave them true liberty. Christianity in action!


I humbly agree with you Staro.
But I do think they have skewed it slightly because liberation and prosperity, deliverance from poverty and preaching to the poor just seems more than finances, doesn't necessarily refer to money. I feel I want to be delivered from finances. I thought it might be used to justify a 'prosperity doctrine' (paying for prosperity).
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Staropramen » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:57 pm

Joe wrote:I thought it might be used to justify a 'prosperity doctrine' (paying for prosperity).


It often is in judeo churches ESPECIALLY Pentecostal ones. Many churches teach that God wants us all to be wealthy and if you are not wealthy it's because of sin in your life. This is nonsense.
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Joe » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:53 am

Staropramen said
It often is in judeo churches ESPECIALLY Pentecostal ones. Many churches teach that God wants us all to be wealthy and if you are not wealthy it's because of sin in your life. This is nonsense.

Wow, that is amazing and crazy.
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Michael » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:14 pm

Just adding to my earlier post that went over again the matter of Jews not being Judeans, Sven wrote a nice overview of this subject last year. The link to Sven's overview is here: http://aryanisrael.wordpress.com/tag/esau/

I'm not sure if this work of Sven's has been linked elsewhere on this forum or on Christogenea. I apologise if it has.

Again, these last two posts of mine concerning the claim that today's "Jews" are Judeans of the Scriptures are more for visitors that may be searching through this forum.

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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Staropramen » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:42 pm

Listening to Bill's latest podcast on Luther's "Jews and Their Lies" I was startled that I had missed something in my own reading of this treatise some years ago. Bill points out that Luther had a correct understanding of Daniel chapter 9 in that there is no shift from Christ to antichrist in the text and that the last week was fulfilled at the time of the Crucifixion. Judeos love to hurl the last week off into the future with a 7 year "Great Tribulation", a personal dictator antichrist, a rapture story and, most wickedly, claim that Christ is antichrist due to a lack of understanding of the Israelite origins of the Romans and the concept of Kinsman avenger.

This is great because one charge that my wife often levels at me is that CI is some "johnny-come-lately" religion. I pointed this out to her this morning asking her why she though that the great Reformer, some 1500 years after Christ walked the earth didn't know about her theology. Perhaps it hadn't been invented yet?

8-)

Please give me any other historical expositions on Daniel 9 from prominent Christian writers that correctly interpret the text.
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Joe » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:09 am

I am still working on Daniel and Revelation, but that is really interesting Staro.

Staro said
This is great because one charge that my wife often levels at me is that CI is some "johnny-come-lately" religion. I pointed this out to her this morning asking her why she though that the great Reformer, some 1500 years after Christ walked the earth didn't know about her theology. Perhaps it hadn't been invented yet?


Exactly, that is why Bill's teaching that Paul was the first 'CI' teacher is important. That kinist clown Clement Pulaski tried to say the same thing at the Daily Stormer, after he chucked a tantrum because no-one liked his 'jews are the people of the Bible' nonsense. He says CI is an invention of the 20th century ...he is too arrogant to even check if he is right. Which he isn't.
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Re: List of Impossible Beliefs Held by Judeo Christians

Postby Staropramen » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:06 am

Joe wrote:Exactly, that is why Bill's teaching that Paul was the first 'CI' teacher is important. That kinist clown Clement Pulaski tried to say the same thing at the Daily Stormer, after he chucked a tantrum because no-one liked his 'jews are the people of the Bible' nonsense. He says CI is an invention of the 20th century ...he is too arrogant to even check if he is right. Which he isn't.


CI is the veil being removed.

I just started on Bill and SwordBrethren's "Against The Paul Bashers" podcasts. Evidently Paul bashers [I'm not familiar with this] like to incorporate judeo-christian distortions of Paul into CI in order to discredit him. While it's aimed at discrediting CI Paul bashers it is simultaneously a good resource for anyone having to deal with universalist judeochristians and their demented twistings of Paul's words. I'm up to part four.

Btw, SB, your comments on Hymie Graber's scholarship and intellect are hilarious. "Stan Lee said in Superman issue #....." LOL!
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