Code of Honor

[bahr]

Ok, sorry.

[Filidh]

lang, i wasn't saying that body is unimportant. what i am saying is that soul is what makes us, 'us', and that the body is the mechanism by which the mechanic, the soul, functions, which is why we need a body to dwell in and aren't all floating around ethereally, and also why the saying is true, which says a healthy soul is only able to dwell in a healthy body.

however, once our body is destroyed, our soul returns to become part of yahweh, which is why i said that when we die, we go to dwell with father. then, when the resurrection occurs, we receive a glorified, uncorruptible body inwhich our soul is again able to dwell.

the spirit and the soul are different, in that, the spirit is our worldview, our mentality, our way. when we read the word of god daily and become baptized in his word, his holy spirit becomes our worldview, mentality, and way, and everything we do is an extension of that becuz it overrides the individualistic desire of the ego and subordinates it to the will of christ, who is yahweh and god. this is why you have sayings such as "he was of a bad spirit" meaning he was in a bad mood.

to elaborate, tho, our spirit is informed by our life-experience, by our struggles, pains, and joys. the stuff we've gone thru in life molds us and forms our spirit, and our individual spirit is built-up by the experiences we have in life. and christ-god intervenes in this struggle in ways so mysterious that sometimes is takes years for us before we look back and say "oh, so that's why he didn't want me to take that class, or read that book, or go that route, or climb that hill". and if we seek him out, then he will guide us thru it.

our spirit is a hunk of metal that is hammered and passed thru the forge-fire of life's struggle to become a sword. and, as followers of christ, it is his spirit that we seek to be full of, that we may be a sword of him and not of our own, and that we may subordinate ourselves to him and his spirit.

to simplify: we crucify our flesh and subordinate it to ourselves, our self being soul which has a spirit, and then subordinate ourself, which is soul and spirit, to the holy spirit of yahshua the anointed one, who is yahweh god himself. again for emphasis, christ is yahweh and yahweh is christ. they are two names referring to the same being.

this is what i believe the truth to be, but again, i'm open to correction if i'm in error, and hope that if i am indeed in error, that someone correct me rather than let me remain in error.

edit: elaborated on the difference between soul and spirit

[Filidh]

just figured i'd elaborate a bit. christ tells us that there are disembodied beings who are ethereal, therefore there are such beings. demons that inhabit the earth today, who are sometimes cast in a good light as faeries, being casted in that light falsely, obviously, constitute such beings. gaelic mythology is rife with encounters with demons who are positively portrayed as faeries who help us, rather than their true intent, which is demons who seek to destroy us.

it is antiscriptural to suggest that christ was lying when he cast the unclean spirit of the demonpossessed man into the herd of pigs, and the pigs, gaining the unclean spirit, or the demon, afterwards fled off of a cliff and died. clearly, this instance alone proves that an etherealbeing is able to exist without a body.

however, as we ourselves belong to yahweh-god, who is christ, we don't roam around the earth when we leave our bodies, but rather we immediately return to him.

and, yahweh himself, being god, is obviously not subject to the need of a body as we are, but rather, he is who he is, or he will be what he will be, meaning he is able to manifest himself as whatever he chooses.

i hope that i'm clear enough to be understood, and that i am not in error.

[wmfinck]

The occult/paganism seems to teach that everything has a soul, it is a different concept, their soul seems to be related to some vain fancy ...

This sense of soul does exist. But I was talking about it in other sense, as Eliphas Levi teaches (sorry mentioning a satanic guy here, but its for learning purposes). I don't know if spiritism exists in America...

Lang, we should base our concepts and our arguments on what the Scripture says, and not on what sophistic devices we can conjure up for ourselves thinking that they will be effective against the enemy.

There is much confusion over perceived differences between spirit and soul. Here is how I try to explain it. The soul is the life, and can therefore be conceived as the body with its spirit, or animating force. But the spirit is eternal and when disembodied it still lives. Therefore the Spirit is the disembodied soul, if you will.

The Spirit comes from the same DNA as the body: Ecclesiastes 11:5, 1 Corinthians 15:42-46. A body which is corrupted from the form which God created, such as one of mixed race, is a "broken cistern" and its spirit, if it has one, is demonic. Thus the angels who left their first estate are bound in chains of darkness.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Verse 46 derails clowns like Dewey Tucker and his sycophants.

In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul also explains that "all flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds" (verse 39) and that "As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." (verses 48 and 49). Therefore the nature of the spiritual body cannot be separated from the nature of the physical body.

However as Filidh has pointed out, there is a plethora of Biblical evidence, that the Spirit lives independently of the body.

[Lang]

Thanks for adding to this thread. What is your opinion on Sheldon Emry and his work called "Thou Shalt Surely Die"? Was him wrong?

I love reading his stuff, he is very good at teaching and seems to be very wise and know the Scriptures very well. But if hes wrong, is he wrong at more subjects as well? A lot of my understandings are based on him so I would like to know.

[Kentucky]

Thanks for adding to this thread. What is your opinion on Sheldon Emry and his work called "Thou Shalt Surely Die"? Was him wrong?

I love reading his stuff, he is very good at teaching and seems to be very wise and know the Scriptures very well. But if hes wrong, is he wrong at more subjects as well? A lot of my understandings are based on him so I would like to know.

I think Pastor Emry was right and there weren't too many things where I thought he was wrong. Some people may disagree and that's fine. However, everybody is wrong about one thing or another. That doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bath water. Otherwise, we wouldn't have any teachers.

Mark

[brucebohn]

Thanks for adding to this thread. What is your opinion on Sheldon Emry and his work called "Thou Shalt Surely Die"? Was him wrong?

I love reading his stuff, he is very good at teaching and seems to be very wise and know the Scriptures very well. But if hes wrong, is he wrong at more subjects as well? A lot of my understandings are based on him so I would like to know.

I think Pastor Emry was right and there weren't too many things where I thought he was wrong. Some people may disagree and that's fine. However, everybody is wrong about one thing or another. That doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bath water. Otherwise, we wouldn't have any teachers.

Mark

I have to agree with Mark.
I was a stuudent of Emry from 1977- 85, and was shocked & a
little confused at his passing, I could not understand why he
would be taken from us in these days in which moral leadership
is so critical.. The good Pastor made mistakes, but not many, & will always
have my Love & respect! Yahweh Bless brother Sheldon Emry

[wmfinck]

Thanks for adding to this thread. What is your opinion on Sheldon Emry and his work called "Thou Shalt Surely Die"? Was him wrong?

Well, these gentlemen who have already commented and who are a LOT older than me remember Sheldon Emry and you should listen to them!

Okay, I am kidding. In truth, I only read one booklet by Sheldon Emry, it was on the flood, it was a long time ago, maybe '97 or '98, and I cannot remember disliking it but I myself was rather knew to the Bible when I read it.

But I will take this opportunity to say a few things.

When I began my CI studies, I read a few other books by other writers, especially Capt, and Comparet's sermons from Jeanne Snyder, and whatever Wesley Swift pamphlets Lorraine had sent me.

While I came to accept that the basic premises were indeed true, nevertheless I learned to read it all critically, not blindly accepting anything or taking anything for granted. This is how we should all read historical and Christian literature, even the oldest material.

Then some time in 1999 I decided to stop reading anything but original materials, so that I could learn as much as I could from original sources, and I have not read any other CI writer's work since then, with a couple of exceptions. The exceptions are my proofreading for Clifton, which I think began in the last months of 1999, and whatever I articles I have put into the Saxon Messenger.

Today, there is a very long list of things that Wesley Swift had said which I do not agree with. Neither do I agree with many of Comparet's prophetic interpretations, but he kept his history on somewhat sounder ground than Swift, not getting into most of the New-Age drivel.

But to these men, I think, we owe a debt of gratitude for pointing us in the right direction, for setting the foundation, so to speak, upon which we could become interested in Scripture and want to learn what it was to which they were pointing the way, among other things which they did for us.

Perhaps if someone had sent me Emry's material back in 1998, I would feel the same way about him too.

Another topic, because there are occasional inquiries:

The Comparet and Swift archives at Christogenea.org were created for several reasons. First, because even with their faults, I felt that their work was worth preserving. All of the other attempts I saw to do so were lame. Even Israelect.com, which was for a long time the most popular CI site, has mostly only PDF files which are difficult to search. Furthermore, PDF sites are usually one-page-per visit sites; people are not very likely to click around on them. I know that Israelect gets 1.1 pages per visit, where Christogenea on a given day averages four or five pages per visit.

The posting of the documents on each of those sites was done by good Christian women who had volunteered for the task, and I only supplied the material and the framework. Perhaps with some volunteers, we could do the same thing for Kennedy, Emry, or other worthy writers. Of course, I would want to make disclaimers on certain topics, which I also have in various places on the Swift and Comparet archives (and plan to add more when I get time).

[Lang]

The posting of the documents on each of those sites was done by good Christian women who had volunteered for the task, and I only supplied the material and the framework. Perhaps with some volunteers, we could do the same thing for Kennedy, Emry, or other worthy writers. Of course, I would want to make disclaimers on certain topics, which I also have in various places on the Swift and Comparet archives (and plan to add more when I get time).

Theres a "library" of Emry's works here: http://sheldonemrylibrary.com/Books.htm

[wmfinck]

Theres a "library" of Emry's works here: http://sheldonemrylibrary.com/Books.htm[/quote]


That too is a 90's technology website with mostly just PDF files, no better than Israelect.com