Adam the first of all mankind?

[DamianNewman]

This question has been bugging me: Where did Seth and all the other sons of Adam get their wives? I doubt they took on the non-Adamites for wives. Therefore, I am starting to doubt that Adam and Eve were the only men and women in the world at their time.
Now here's a theory I've been pondering:
God created man, as in, mankind, to fill and subdue the earth.
Then after the seven days of creation he formed Adam, the first man, the first son of God, the first man to be in a covenant (the original covenant), the head and representative of mankind. Adam was set apart from the rest of mankind in the same way Israel was set apart from the rest of mankind. Adam would be the father of Israel, the first Israelite in a sense.

Your thoughts?

NOTE: I do not associate non-Adamites with mankind. When I speak of man, men, women, mankind, etc. I am never speaking about that which is non-Adamic.

[Kentucky]

This question has been bugging me: Where did Seth and all the other sons of Adam get their wives? I doubt they took on the non-Adamites for wives. Therefore, I am starting to doubt that Adam and Eve were the only men and women in the world at their time.
Now here's a theory I've been pondering:
God created man, as in, mankind, to fill and subdue the earth.
Then after the seven days of creation he formed Adam, the first man, the first son of God, the first man to be in a covenant (the original covenant), the head and representative of mankind. Adam was set apart from the rest of mankind in the same way Israel was set apart from the rest of mankind. Adam would be the father of Israel, the first Israelite in a sense.

Your thoughts?

NOTE: I do not associate non-Adamites with mankind. When I speak of man, men, women, mankind, etc. I am never speaking about that which is non-Adamic.

You seem to be alluding to the two creations theory of Genesis. Here's a number of links:

http://christogenea.org/overview/index- ... d-websites

Mark

[DamianNewman]

No, I'm not.

[Joe]

Scripture does not tell us where Seth got His wife from, but two ideas I have heard is that some of the trees in the garden that were pleasant to the sight are other Adamic families, Adam was created first and then placed in the garden with them. Though I think they were just probably fruit trees as the Septuagint has it:

"Gen 2:9 And Yahweh God, caused to spring up, out of the ground, every tree pleasant to the sight and good for food,—and the tree of life, in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

...and Eve wasn't created yet, so I don't think there would have been other Adamic women.

I have also seen people talk about Gen 1:27, saying that a whole race was created, male and female He created -them-.

I am going to re-listen to some of the earlier episodes of Pragmatic Genesis, Bill had some good comments on this.

[Staropramen]

KJV Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; ...

It is possible that these are literal food-producing trees, and those which follow in the second part of the verse are meant to be allegorical trees. However in any event, every tree that is “pleasant to the sight and good for food” did not exist until Adam was placed in the Garden. If it is accepted that these trees are allegorical trees representing family lines, then these trees can only be the early Adamic families of our race. Later, this same analogy was indeed used to describe the Adamic Genesis 10 Nations, in Ezekiel chapter 31: “1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? 3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. 4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field. 5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. 6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. 7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. 8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. 9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.”

… the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of life is Yahweh God, Yahshua Christ, and His race of Adamic man. This is proven in Genesis 3:22, where the man is instructed to grasp the tree of life, and live forever: since Adamic man has eternal life only through Christ, therefore Christ must be the Tree of Life. He is the vine, his Adamic people are the branches, and therefore the Tree of Life is the River of God, the Race of Adam with Christ as its head and its root.

http://christogenea.org/podcasts/explai ... ic-genesis

Further;

Genesis 5
King James Version (KJV)
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

If Adam lived for 800 years after he fathered Seth and had more sons and daughters than what is the problem with Seth finding a wife from among his sisters? I doubt that at that time marrying one's sister had any of the social or genetic implications that it developed in later history. In fact I'm pretty sure Bill talked about that in one of the Pragmatic Genesis programs.

[Joe]

http://christogenea.org/podcasts/explai ... ic-genesis

The last 20 minutes discusses Seth and his wife, basically Bill says that the most important thing to understand is that Seth's wife, no matter how Yahweh provided her, was acceptable to Him.

Genesis 5 seems to confirm the assertions I have heard made about Genesis 1:27.

[DamianNewman]

I do not find the sons of Adam resorting to incest realistic. I agree with the trees being actual trees.

I'll settle with this: God created man, male and female created he them, and called their name Adam. Then came the man Adam - and he is called Adam because he's the representative of mankind, the head of mankind - the man who God formed, and so, he's the son of God. Adam is known as the first man in the same way Christ is known as the second man.

[Staropramen]

I do not find the sons of Adam resorting to incest realistic. I agree with the trees being actual trees.

I'll settle with this: God created man, male and female created he them, and called their name Adam. Then came the man Adam - and he is called Adam because he's the representative of mankind, the head of mankind - the man who God formed, and so, he's the son of God. Adam is known as the first man in the same way Christ is known as the second man.

Eve was made from Adam's own genetic material. Wouldn't that be even closer than what you define as incest?

There were not two creations of Adam. Bill went into great detail about this at the beginning of the Pragmatic Genesis series. The created vs. formed argument that suggests a created race and later a formed man from that race is Joe November philosophy that Bill clearly refuted as nonsense. This philosophy is rooted in distortions of Hebrew grammatical constructions. Scripture itself refutes this idea;

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

The Genesis chapter one account and the Genesis chapter two account describe the same event. It's recapitulation, nothing else. You yourself admit that Adam is the first man yet you simultaneously claim that he isn't by saying he came after some other Adamic creation.

Go and read or listen to the first few installments of Pragmatic Genesis. Bill layed this all out in great detail.

[DamianNewman]

Eve being of Adam is not suggesting they are father and daughter, but that she was of his kind, unlike all the other creatures that God first brought to Adam. That is, she was like man, unlike the beasts of the field or the fowls of heaven. Woman was fit to be the counterpart for Man.

I agree there were not two creations of Adam. Man was created along with everything else in the six days and God rested on the seventh day. But then, see Genesis 2:4, that this is beginning an account of the "earth and heaven", These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Initially, if you have the preconceived notion, you would think this is a recapitulation of the six days, but you have to see that it is not: God doesn't need to divide light & dark, the waters are already above & below firmament, the waters need no parting and dry land is already there, with the greater & lesser lights already there, and God never rests in this account... but he did, beforehand. This is clearly after the seventh day. This is the account of the first covenant, where it all began, the origin of this whole debacle, the beginning of history, not the explanation of the beginning of creation itself, which Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:3 already completely explained.

So we see that the heaven and earth, the original covenant, of Genesis 2:4 began it's existence after God finished his work of the heavens and the earth and all the host of them. Indeed, heaven and earth is used symbolically, especially of the covenants, and here's one example, Isaiah 51:16, And I have put my words in thy mouth, and have covered thee in the shadow of my hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Adam is known as the first man as Christ is known as the second man.

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. See how Jehovah boasts that those who reckon him as their God as those who he formed. Of course, all men are God's handiwork, but this language of formation speaks of a special relationship that God has between those who are the children of God, whether spiritually or literally (Adam, Christ).

[Joe]

God has been in His day of rest since the seventh day, it has to be a recapitulation for many other reasons also, reasons that are explained in the pragmatic Genesis series which no-one seems to want to listen to.

So Adam was created and then formed?, since you believe it to be a continuous account..., formed does not imply any special significance as the two words are used interchangeably when describing Israel as well.

Isa 43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

All of this aside, Hebrews chapter 4 proves that “God rested from all of His works”, and that God is still in His “day of rest”, none of His days being literal 24-hour periods. Here we shall review Paul's words in that chapter, and we shall use the King James Version for that review:

KJV Hebrews 4: “1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”