Skepticism and Rebuking Judeo-Christians

[Xile]

Great. I just had another talk with my dad and he refuses to believe anything I say. He says that there were no people on Earth before Adam and all the races came from Adam and Eve. Also, he is saying that Jesus told us to teach all people.

I bet he's referring to 'Scripture' that begins with Mark 16:9, a known interpolation.

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He won't listen to you because you are his son. Pride can be awfully nasty...

I don't understand. I thought that we are saved regardless if we believe? Like when a nonbelieving White person dies, won't they still be in the same afterlife as us? Does condemnation = damnation? It's confusing to me. I was so convinced with heaven and hell that hearing these things now sounds so crazy. I know that my dad is just worried about me, even if it is a bit of pride.

He's the one who had to live in communist soviet union where, despite his knowledge, no one hired him for the upper jobs because he didn't submit to their indoctrination. He knew Jews who hired him and even knew how lazy the Jews who worked with him were. I think he doesn't want me to mess with something bigger than myself, because I was practically spoon-fed everything, unlike him.

The Jews wouldn't let Christians get patents for whatever inventions they made. My dad would tell me how he didn't even have screwdrivers and would make everything himself from whatever he could find. By the 70's, he already had his own electric guitars and tube amplifiers. Heck, he only finished 8 grades and knows more about practically anything than the average university professor.

The funny part is that I'm not even exaggerating. If I was in my dad's shoes, I would be pissed at the Jews, because they practically crushed his dreams and now he is a 60 year old man still barely scraping by at some autoshop. Life isn't fair, because of the yids that make it that way. I say, "Screw them." I'm doing things my way.

[brucebohn]

Xile wrote:
Great. I just had another talk with my dad and he refuses to believe anything I say. He says that there were no people on Earth before Adam and all the races came from Adam and Eve. Also, he is saying that Jesus told us to teach all people.


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Cognitive dissonance refers to the psychological or emotional discomfort felt when one is confronted with new information or a new reality that contradicts one’s deeply held beliefs or belief systems. It seems especially common among people who have been victimized by TV commercials and other methods of brain-washing and propaganda.


Been shunned by my family for 30 years, mother recently passed
at 83 years of age with a heretical son... You must decide if
you are truly ready for these truths, maybe not, either way it
is a process which will not happen overnite & there will be many
sacrifices along the way!

[Kentucky]

I don't understand. I thought that we are saved regardless if we believe? Like when a nonbelieving White person dies, won't they still be in the same afterlife as us? Does condemnation = damnation? It's confusing to me. I was so convinced with heaven and hell that hearing these things now sounds so crazy. I know that my dad is just worried about me, even if it is a bit of pride.

Have you ever read this one? "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man" John 3:13. The Hebrew words for 'hell' i.e. sheol and hades simply mean the grave, where we are buried. We've been brainwashed by movies purporting a cloud with a harp or a barbeque pit of fire. The word 'afterlife' is not in the Bible, except in reckless translations. But we can read about the state of the dead in Ps. 146:4. "His breath goeth forth [he stops breathing], he returneth to the earth [buried in the ground]; in that very day his thoughts perish [there is no consciousness]." I tried to tell my dad about Christian Identity and he would not hear it. We have no duty to proselytize those who reject the Good News. My only obligation was to "Honor thy father and mother" and I did till the day they died. It was a shame they never had the eyes to see what I saw. Sometimes all we can do is plant the seed and set the example. This opens the door for their divine calling in which God chooses them to be His elect. Boy, will they be surprised at the resurrection... our son was right!!!!

I'm doing things my way.

Do it God's way; we have a tendency to mess things up lol. In fact, early Christianity was called 'The Way.'

Mark

[Lang]

Have you ever read this one? "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man" John 3:13. The Hebrew words for 'hell' i.e. sheol and hades simply mean the grave, where we are buried. We've been brainwashed by movies purporting a cloud with a harp or a barbeque pit of fire. The word 'afterlife' is not in the Bible, except in reckless translations. But we can read about the state of the dead in Ps. 146:4. "His breath goeth forth [he stops breathing], he returneth to the earth [buried in the ground]; in that very day his thoughts perish [there is no consciousness]." I tried to tell my dad about Christian Identity and he would not hear it. We have no duty to proselytize those who reject the Good News. My only obligation was to "Honor thy father and mother" and I did till the day they died. It was a shame they never had the eyes to see what I saw. Sometimes all we can do is plant the seed and set the example. This opens the door for their divine calling in which God chooses them to be His elect. Boy, will they be surprised at the resurrection... our son was right!!!!

Oh... I'm badly waiting for that day! Can't wait for it. And I know I should only be planting the seed but I'm doing an extreme propaganda work in my home and practically putting the CI message down the throat of my mother LOL

[Xile]

When it talks about ascending to heaven, I just thought that it means "haven't ascended yet" and that we will get into heaven AFTER the resurrection. I was the one who brought up the statement, "We won't go to heaven or hell right after we die." I noticed that something was off because it also talks about the resurrection and "final judgement" What about the dead that resurrected during the time after Jesus was crucified? What exactly did they inherit?

I don't remember how many times I read the New Testament and if it was all the way through. I am rather forgetful at times and might not remember something specific.

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’ - Mark 9:47-48 NKJV

I always thought that these passages are clearly talking about an eternal hell.

But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. - Luke 13-27-28 NKJV

Cast out from the Kingdom...into hell? What about the part in the Bible where it talks about people living outside the gates of heaven? I can't remember where I read that.

Well, I'm gonna go eat something and think things through.

[Joe]

Cast out from the Kingdom...into hell? What about the part in the Bible where it talks about people living outside the gates of heaven? I can't remember where I read that.

I think that if all Adam-Man is in the Kingdom, then outside the Kingdom or the Gates of Heaven would be a lifeless chaotic void. He is the Life, they are twice dead.

[Kentucky]

When it talks about ascending to heaven, I just thought that it means "haven't ascended yet" and that we will get into heaven AFTER the resurrection. I was the one who brought up the statement, "We won't go to heaven or hell right after we die." I noticed that something was off because it also talks about the resurrection and "final judgement"

It doesn't say "yet." Where does it say we get into heaven after the resurrection? What makes you think you belong in heaven i.e. God's abode? Considering: "The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath He given to the children of men" Ps. 115:16.

Mark

[Staropramen]

Xile,

You quoted;

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’ - Mark 9:47-48 NKJV

Aren't we sent here to establish "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?"

If our eye is causing us to be ineffective for the kingdom here on earth it is better to lose an eye and become productive for the kingdom than to go around contributing to the destruction and death that is consuming the earth. You either serve Yahweh or you serve yourself. If you serve yourself than it's really "my kingdom come, my will be done on earth as it is in hell".

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Salt is GOOD. Fire refines and draws out the dross in the perfection process of Adamites. It also consumes and destroys that which is not of God. It is better to be an active worker for Yahweh fanning His flames of righteousness than it is to be on the receiving end of said flame's chastisements. If you are Yahweh's you will ultimately be saved. But isn't it better to accept God's Word now than suffer the hard way to get there?

I suspect that some of Yahweh's most stubborn children will end up in the Lake of Fire. And they will stay there until they come into a proper adjustment with Yahweh. Eventually All of them will be refined. But that's just my opinion.

[Xile]

Man, I feel that "spirit of rebellion" working in me. I want to say something contrary to you guys, but I have nothing. I'm trying to accept this, but something inside keeps holding me back. Let's slow down here: You guys are saying that heaven was never meant for men, but only for Yahweh? Kentucky, I didn't say that it was written that way - I was saying how I interpreted it. Ok, this is really freaky now.

There are many verses that flash in my mind and I'm becoming overwhelmed. What about entering the Kingdom of God <-- Heaven? If we follow what the Bible says then what makes us think that we won't get into heaven and isn't the new Earth only meant for 1000 years? I don't get it! *flips invisible table*

[Joe]

^I don't think I can answer for you, but currently I am researching resurrection.

I used the search engine at Christogenea.org and typed-in resurrection. I think you'll find many answers that you can than copy and paste into a word document, then try Clifton or Mark Downey site, they have search boxes too. It was easy to get much information very quickly.

This forum has a search box, I think the forum helps tie it altogether, as people are arguing to support different positions and you can see how it all plays out to make a determination. When people argue they tend to throw everything at each-other, so you will see many things addressed.

This thread is gold (below), there is some real in-depth analysis, it is long (I am only a couple pages in) but I have already seen many answers to the question you are seeking. It is just more complex than you expect, and I like it that way. They are talking about the Spirit, Heaven/Paradise, death of the body, what happens when you die, Christ's death and resurrection.

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