Speaking "in tongues", possession and supernatural

[Lang]

I will start this thread saying that I'm starting way too many threads in the past days, but is doing this that I learn and interact with you, fellow Identity Christians.

As the title says, the subject is churchianity obsession with "speaking in tongues", possession and other supernatural doctrines. I never studied what bible says about the first, but I'm 100% sure that it's another churchianity trap. Simply because back in time when I used to go to a church called "Assembly of God" with my parents, they said that it's the language of the angels and the language which we speak in heaven. It goes against all logic and also its strange how we had only like 3 ways to speak in tongues, everybody spoke in one of these ways. So, the only conclusion is that what happened there is a collective allucination started by a few people with serious mental problems. But leaving the logic behind, I'll let to you guys show if bible supports it or no.

About possession, I don't know what to think. It's not very logical to me, I'm not sure if it really happens. However, I know some people that swear by their family that they already saw possessed people or even exorcised possessed people. One example is my dad. He swear by God that he exorcised a lot of people. But also, he claims that he really spoke in tongues and tells unbealivable stories of how God talked to him through other people and even personally. So, he's very suspicious to say. I should believe in the word of my dad, but I know he's a little crazy, like really crazy. But if you ask him if possessed people exists and other supernatural things from churchianity exists, he will promptly answer yes with a incredible certainty.

But I'm sure he's not a liar. His integrity is 100% and I'm sure he says this things for madness. He's a former special forces and retired as a staff officer of an armoured infantry battalion, so who knows what happened to him.

So, what you think about the validity of the supernatural things that happens in churchianity? It's all wrong or something there really exists?

Thank you.

[Nayto]

"Speaking in tongues" as far as I know was just a means of being able to speak other earthly languages which one normally wouldn't be able to speak. This was necessary for when ambassadors of God went to areas where they were unable to speak the same language as other Israelite nations.

I don't think that speaking in tongues is even necessary anymore because most of us can at least communicate using English. I mean, just look at us

[Staropramen]

Pentacostalism is truly a circus. The blatant disregard for bible study amongst Pentecostals is downright despicable. They HATE the study of the scripture. There are a handful of passages in scripture that refer to "speaking in tongues" and they seem to refer to two different processes. One is the ability to speak another known tongue that is not your own to communicate the Gospel [Acts 2:6]. The other was the supernatural ability to, with an interpreter communicate with God to receive the Word before it was available in written form. This gift would cease to be necessary once the written Word became available [1 Corithians 13:8-10].

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

1 Corinthians 13: 8-10

The scriptures testify that they are perfect.

Pentecostalism is a religion that rests entirely on one passage;

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1 Corinthian 14:4

Despite all the other passages which put the above verse in it's proper context Pentecostals use this verse as an isolated justification to put themselves in a trance. All that Paul is saying is that one aspect of speaking in tongues properly [with an interpreter, for a specific purpose during a specific age] is that one edifies himself while doing it. Pentecostals use this passage to justify putting themselves into a trance for the purpose of edification. I've been around these kooks aplenty. They believe that when they are in this trance that anything that floats through their little brains comes from God. It must come from God because they are "in the spirit" right? No amount of sound exegesis will convince them otherwise. The bible only exists as a source for cherry-picking passages that are to be used to justify whatever ideas the devil has whispered into the ear of the tongues babbler.

Originally posted by me here;

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=5012&p=11962&hilit=tongues#p11962

[Staropramen]

Matthew 7: 21-23;

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It's possible for Christians to do things in the name of Jesus and get results that appear to be of God but they are not. For example, a White Christian should know that we are not here to pray for niggers. But, that White Christian chooses to be ignorant and prays for some nigger who needs finances. The devil sees an opportunity to manipulate some money in the niggers direction and the stupid White person thinks that God was involved with that. So he whoops up and down and praises God and sinks further into deception. All because he's too much of a coward to study and believe God's Word. Regarding the Lake of Fire, it appears that "for ever" can mean either "an age" or "ages and ages". This perplexed me at first but then I thought about it and maybe it's a matter of who goes there. The word translated fire is used in other places in scripture in the context of "refining" not "torment without end". I suspect that unrepentant Israelites [all of whom will eventually be saved] will go to the Lake of Fire until they are refined and brought into proper adjustment with God, "An age". However, that which Yahweh did not plant will stay there for "ages and ages" because by their very nature they cannot be refined.

"I never knew you" may have different meanings depending on who is being addressed. For Pentecostal niggers it's a question of their origins. For the screwball Israelite caught up in judeochristianity it might simply refer to their existence on earth which they just tried to justify in the previous verses. I find it hard to believe that unrepentant Israelites just get off the hook at death. Yes, all of Israel will be saved, eventually.

[Kentucky]

Modern 'speaking in tongues' is a form of hysteria with rationalized gibberish. It ended in the 1st century when fellow Israelites spoke different languages and miraculously understood the Disciples when they spoke in a tongue other than their own. "whether there be tongues, they shall cease" I Cor. 13:8. This was the time of the Great Commission when the missionary field pertained only to White people.

Mark

[SwordBrethren]

"I never knew you" may have different meanings depending on who is being addressed. For Pentecostal niggers it's a question of their origins. For the screwball Israelite caught up in judeochristianity it might simply refer to their existence on earth which they just tried to justify in the previous verses. I find it hard to believe that unrepentant Israelites just get off the hook at death. Yes, all of Israel will be saved, eventually.

Personally I do not like it, mainly because I have issues with it on a philosophical level and a personal level.


However, I believe Bill has the better argument when it comes to a scriptural perspective, so there is nothing to raise in regards challenging the idea that all of Israel will be saved.

If I had scripture to use to raise a challenge I would raise a challenge and we would begin a debate, but a debate requires more than my having a philosophical problem with something.

It is not enough to simply state- "they should go to the Lake of Fire because I don't believe they deserve to be in the Kingdom" because it isn't about what I believe as I am not God.

[Staropramen]

"I never knew you" may have different meanings depending on who is being addressed. For Pentecostal niggers it's a question of their origins. For the screwball Israelite caught up in judeochristianity it might simply refer to their existence on earth which they just tried to justify in the previous verses. I find it hard to believe that unrepentant Israelites just get off the hook at death. Yes, all of Israel will be saved, eventually.

Personally I do not like it, mainly because I have issues with it on a philosophical level and a personal level.


However, I believe Bill has the better argument when it comes to a scriptural perspective, so there is nothing to raise in regards challenging the idea that all of Israel will be saved.

If I had scripture to use to raise a challenge I would raise a challenge and we would begin a debate, but a debate requires more than my having a philosophical problem with something.

It is not enough to simply state- "they should go to the Lake of Fire because I don't believe they deserve to be in the Kingdom" because it isn't about what I believe as I am not God.

I know that all of Israel will be saved. I thought I made that clear. I don't challenge that. I just wonder whether a free pass will be granted at death or if there will be a process to go through for the unrepentant Israelite.

[SwordBrethren]

"I never knew you" may have different meanings depending on who is being addressed. For Pentecostal niggers it's a question of their origins. For the screwball Israelite caught up in judeochristianity it might simply refer to their existence on earth which they just tried to justify in the previous verses. I find it hard to believe that unrepentant Israelites just get off the hook at death. Yes, all of Israel will be saved, eventually.

Personally I do not like it, mainly because I have issues with it on a philosophical level and a personal level.


However, I believe Bill has the better argument when it comes to a scriptural perspective, so there is nothing to raise in regards challenging the idea that all of Israel will be saved.


If I had scripture to use to raise a challenge I would raise a challenge and we would begin a debate, but a debate requires more than my having a philosophical problem with something.

It is not enough to simply state- "they should go to the Lake of Fire because I don't believe they deserve to be in the Kingdom" because it isn't about what I believe as I am not God.

I know that all of Israel will be saved. I thought I made that clear. I don't challenge that. I just wonder whether a free pass will be granted at death or if there will be a process to go through for the unrepentant Israelite.

You were clear and I understood your point, I am simply saying that as a personal/philosophical belief, I do not want unrepentant impenitent sinners to be in the Kingdom.

A woman who has 6 mixed race kids should go with her kids into the Lake of Fire, but I'm not God and that's not my call. It may be sufficient that she gets to spend eternity without any descendants/children/grandchildren by her side because she effectively ended her line and her kids and grandkids are in the lake of fire.


I have a friend who believes that Whites who were horrible sinners will spend several thousand years in the Lake of Fire before coming into the Kingdom but I see that as a sort of back-door quasi Purgatory without scriptural support.

[Lang]

1. This Lake of Fire you guys are talking about is the hell? Because I learnt from CI that the hell simply doesn't exists and it seems pretty logical to me to don't exist.

2. And about possession? And all those things chrchianity says about gift of visions, God peaking through people, all kind of supernatural seems to happen with them. In my personal opinion everyone there have a level of dementia.

[Staropramen]

If I understand this correctly the places commonly thought of as "hell", based on English translations refer to either the grave or some garbage dump at the edge of the city where the worms don't die in the original languages.

I don't see any problems with Yahweh's children having visions or other supernatural experiences that are truly from God. When I lived in the Czech Republic there was a time when I was doing something that was illegal but at the time I did not see it as immoral or wrong. Coming to an understanding of race later on I now see that it was not Yahweh's will for me to be doing it. One night in the wee hours of the AM I was engaged in this activity and the police arrived on the scene. Terrified, I simply stopped what I was doing and walked right out of the situation in full view of the 2 officers. They literally walked right past me as if they didn't even see me. After a few yards I ran like I have never ran before. The next day an encounter with a total stranger confirmed that the police were there for me the previous night. I have no doubt to this very day that Yahweh made me invisible that night so I could escape. Obviously I learned my lesson and stopped doing what I was doing. Praise Yahweh!