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Gideon300 wrote:That being said, while I have the time this morning I need to clear some things up not just with you personally but with all at this site and some elsewhere too who are CI. Since you raised the issue of Aryan appearance, I need clarification on this before I invest another day here.
I see and relate to your wish that more Whites would come to CI and establish a presence or what have you by being part of a CI congregation and committing to it over time (paraphrasing). I'm for that, but the persistent talk from individuals who claim what are to me almost at times magical powers of discernment as to who's "pure" and who's not are extremely off putting and although it's mostly lack of decent transportation and money that have kept me from traveling hundreds of miles to be part of a CI service, the idea of showing up at a CI congregation and someone approaching me with calipers and a protractor to measure my head and calculate the angle of my forehead for instance, while an exaggeration to make a point, nevertheless represents to a degree how uncomfortable things such as you posted about this person's appearance (again if it's only based on these images) make me and as such, make me leery of meeting with anyone who's CI at this juncture.
Vandal wrote:If Dan were in my congregation, I would demand his removal from office immediately and without ceremony. If that did not happen, I would leave the congregation, and have nothing to do with anyone attached to it. There is no middle ground when dealing with people who put themselves in positions of counsel and leadership. If you think otherwise, please explain why.
One person sent me a remark that if the woman he is kissing were proven to be a mamzer, THEN he would publicly denounce Pastor Dan. But the race of the woman he is kissing is not the primary issue. She's a cute little lady and I'm sure Dan is very happy to have her. It looks like she loves him very much. But she is not the issue. We should not get sidetracked on debating over her. The issue is:
1. Where is the Pastor;
2. What is he doing;
3. Is this an acceptable activity for someone calling himself a Christian Pastor?
There are many more photos on Dan's Facebook profile that illustrate the situation more clearly.
Vandal wrote:The ultimate quality control is autonomous congregations composed only of those in your local area, known to you for years, having lived there, having worked there, having proven who they are. Then each such congregation appoints a captain, and there begins the real networking of a nascent government.
Paul said only a married man with children should be appointed to lead. Why? One, he's proven he can be a shepherd. Two. He can't be a shill. The congregation knows where his wife and kids are. And he knows they know. You can't work a "law enforcement" frame job or infiltration in that context.
Your quality control is close proximity and kinship.
I'll admit I've never heard of this person before but definitely agree that these photos and that he apparently is not ashamed to share them with the world is bizarre to say the least and even more so for someone claiming to be a CI pastor.
That being said, while I have the time this morning I need to clear some things up not just with you personally but with all at this site and some elsewhere too who are CI. Since you raised the issue of Aryan appearance, I need clarification on this before I invest another day here. I saw where in another thread, where the subject was Golden Dawn, you posted about once spotting a jew without even seeing his face and also posted those images of cross sections of teeth. Here you refer to the person in the picture's "lateral ridged teeth" and his stature. These are the only pictures I have ever seen of this person and don't know if you've seen more pictures of him and/or seen him in person too perhaps before -? Myself, only having these several images of him to judge by, honestly don't see anything that screams "non-Aryan." But then I'm not able to spot a jew just by seeing the back of his head, nor do I know what "lateral ridged teeth" are. By stature, if that means height specifically, how tall does a man have to be considered Aryan in your estimation? So there are those questions which I'd appreciate you addressing at your convenience.
Keep in mind I'm not in any way defending this person, who I don't know from Adam as the old saying goes. It's just that I admit several of your posts I've seen here make me really wary, and all the talk around some CI circles of cheekbones and hair and eye color and pronouncing individuals as swarthy that to me don't fit that definition at all also leave me feeling exasperated and that I somehow missed that CI equals Nordicism (though that terminology may not be best, but nevertheless comes to mind in light of some of your posts). I'm not as well versed in the Bible as are many here I admit, though I read it nearly every day and have for years before becoming an Identity Christian.
So if I missed where people's eye color is mentioned in the Bible and/or that Yahweh revealed His hair, eye, height and tooth structure preferences, I apologize and if anyone can point me to those verses, I'd appreciate that. I am not at the same time, dismissing physical appearance altogether mind you and anyone else who's reading this. Of course there are distinctions and I'm adamant about who is White and who is not; only I'm not knowledgeable about all the anatomical references I see others referencing, but have always gone chiefly (not solely though) by a person's skin color, particularly on their fingers, eyelids and lips. As for myself, although at this point those who haven't seen me can only take my word for it, as I'm not about to post my photos online to the world and a gaggle of people I only know from screen names, I'll say I'm over six feet tall and while I don't have blue eyes and blonde hair, I'll only relate at this point that neither do I have brown eyes nor black hair (yet I'm not saying brown eyes and/or black hair means not White, if the person with those is otherwise White in appearance and ancestry).
While I'm here and since I had this and other images saved, here are examples of people who at a glance I say are not White. Two are prominent leaders of the Golden Dawn movement in Greece and if I saw them on the street I'd presume they were maybe Egyptians or some other type of Arabs - even though I've found that makes GD supporters absolutely livid. Though I don't want to speculate on every person in the image, also note the skin tone around the knuckles and cuticles of the man extending his hand in the second photo and you'll see what it is I refer to regarding how that part of a person is telling -
Don't want to go off on a GD tangent here, only to say that I have read their platform and nowhere is a mention of being White as a standard of their nationalist movement. So to me, while I'm not against their notions of purging their land of immigrants who are not related to its founders, it has next to nothing to do with me as a White European and I'm also perturbed at them and others comparing the movement to Germany's Third Reich, which was explicitly for White Europeans. I also am aware of White Greeks and that while maybe a minority now, that they still exist in large numbers in Greece and that Whites also exist in other southern European nations that also contain large numbers of non-Whites where once it wasn't the case.
I see and relate to your wish that more Whites would come to CI and establish a presence or what have you by being part of a CI congregation and committing to it over time (paraphrasing). I'm for that, but the persistent talk from individuals who claim what are to me almost at times magical powers of discernment as to who's "pure" and who's not are extremely off putting and although it's mostly lack of decent transportation and money that have kept me from traveling hundreds of miles to be part of a CI service, the idea of showing up at a CI congregation and someone approaching me with calipers and a protractor to measure my head and calculate the angle of my forehead for instance, while an exaggeration to make a point, nevertheless represents to a degree how uncomfortable things such as you posted about this person's appearance (again if it's only based on these images) make me and as such, make me leery of meeting with anyone who's CI at this juncture.
I feel like I have a lot to offer by the grace of Yahweh who bestowed me with certain talents even as I endeavor to avoid false pride and admit my faults as a man, but which I believe I am forgiven for as are all Israelite people who pray for that with humility. I don't know what your role is here at this site or within Christogenea but am aware of the Verbal Vandal site and that a variation of that is the name you're using here. Still I would like to know if your criteria of who is Aryan is that of Christogenea as well before investing any more time here. My ancestors have been in the US since before the American Revolution and all genealogy shows my family tree to be almost exclusively American and British Isles, with one distant relative who's Dutch being the only exception. Breech of forum protocol not intended, but as a matter of fact, anyone who would tell me to my face I'm not White or anyone in my family either, had better know those are literally fighting words to me.
wmfinck wrote:I will do this quickly, because I can, because Kentucky asked, and because Dan had no probelm publicizing it, so I will help. He needs to be ostracized for his un-Christian lifestyle while pretending to be a shepherd:
Vandal wrote: I have asked him to disabuse me of my notions, and I will wait to hear from him.
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