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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Staropramen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:14 am

We are a people under God's judgement. Being a real Christian affords us the opportunity as individuals to be fruitful and prosper in the midst of the broader judgement. Any attempts to accomplish anything for our people that takes God out of the equation is simply a waste of time. That pagan over there might be a nice person, well intentioned and all that but any attempt to work together with him or her is a waste of time. We should try to communicate to them that their oppostion to God is what's killing us but there is absolutely no justification for forming alliances with them. All that will lead to is foolish plans that will have as their main objective side-stepping God's judgement to achieve victory. This will only lead to problems in the life of the Christian foolish enough to participate.

I simply cannot think in terms of organising large numbers of whites into some sort of physical oppostion to those that are destroying us. We should be out there everyday looking for white people who need Christ. The first priority is so that they can have God's protection in the midst of the general judgement on us. Along with this goes the glorious hammer of God that will destroy those that attempt to destroy us for being God's servants. Why just the other day God sent a truck to run over and kill a family member of those who conspire against me. Glory to God! If leading our kin to Christ produces awakened sons and daughters enmasse then we can consider strategies based on God's law to take back our countries before Christ returns. I don't believe this is going to happen. It could happen. I pray for it to happen. But I think our people are going to continue to call God's judgement upon us until Christ returns and opens our collective eyes supernaturally for the battle of Armageddon.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Kentucky » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:38 pm

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" II Cor. 6:14. I know there is still a great deal of admiration for Bob Mathew's 'The Order.' However, they were a mixed bag of CI, Odinists and agnostics, which spelled their demise. I exchanged thoughts with some of these Bruders/members who are/were incarcerated and they agreed that it was a mistake. Too often we are caught up in fantasies, promulgated by action movies, to play Rambo. But, the truth is, we will never be able to do anything until our moral compass is in alignment with the Word of God. In other words, our spiritual understanding must precede any (paramilitary) action of the body politic of Christ.

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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Vandal » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:05 pm

Staropramen wrote:
I simply cannot think in terms of organising large numbers of whites into some sort of physical oppostion to those that are destroying us. We should be out there everyday looking for white people who need Christ. The first priority is so that they can have God's protection in the midst of the general judgement on us. Along with this goes the glorious hammer of God that will destroy those that attempt to destroy us for being God's servants. Why just the other day God sent a truck to run over and kill a family member of those who conspire against me. Glory to God! If leading our kin to Christ produces awakened sons and daughters enmasse then we can consider strategies based on God's law to take back our countries before Christ returns. I don't believe this is going to happen. It could happen. I pray for it to happen. But I think our people are going to continue to call God's judgement upon us until Christ returns and opens our collective eyes supernaturally for the battle of Armageddon.


I CAN think in terms of organising large numbers of my poeple into an actual opposition to those who hate us. But this is not an organization to oppose the system, nor is it an organization to oppose the government. It should be an organization to oppose falsehood. And it can be done.

People are searching for answers all over the country. Just the other day I had an audience in two public places. I started talking about the Sandy Hook actors guild. People gathered around me and began asking questions. I then started on the issue of the Jewish question. They were attentive. There were no cat-calls of "anti-semite." A few wanted the links to the websites I mentioned. A few will look into it and contact me.

The Jews are fomenting another revolution...one they intend to control. We should organize not to resist Babylon, but to revolt against sin in our midst. This is self-government. Sin is the transgression of the law. Self-government is the administration of the law amongst ourselves.

A "party" of people who set up a social network to administer the needs of their local people will be considered the defacto "authority" when things go south. If Christians are actually caring for the widowed and orphaned in an organized fashion, making government benefits unnecessary, that alone will open the eyes of many people over time. As the government becomes more oppressive, people will stop going to government courts to resolve conflicts and go to the Christian community that is serving them. As this escalates, pressure will be put on the government courts to move back toward the law or lose all their revenue.

"Vengeance is mine, saith Yahweh." Yes, vengeance is His, yet he spells out how that vengeance is His. His law requires us to establish tribunals where a jury decides on the issue of vengeance or crime and punishment. It is NOT our individual duty to go punish Christ's enemies. It is the duty of a court, properly judging the offenses against the law. That IS vengeance, taken out of your personal hands.

Babylon will fall. That does not necessarily mean that every building in the country will also fall. It does not necessarily mean that your local judges and sheriffs will fall. It does not necessarily mean your local police department will fall. We will still have the experience and infrastructure of all our local governments, without the federal funding to corrupt it all. In other words, they will become directly accountable to the angry mob for their position and pay.

Utah Sheriff's association wrote this letter threatening the federal government with forcible resistance over the gun control issue: http://www.utahsheriffs.org/USA-Home_fi ... Letter.pdf ... Just because all their ideas are not correct, does not mean we should not encourage them to finally do what law officers should have done 100 years ago ... Instead, we should encourage them to cultivate a spirit of protecting us and carefully point out their errors in a manner like Paul of Tarsus would.

The idea that every thing will devolve into chaos and it will be every man for himself is unprecedented. Even when civilization collapses you still have local cliques, some semblance of governments remaining or being absorbed by invaders or new arrangements. We need to be there with our thumbs on the scales in dealing with our government officials. When Babylon falls, they will have the choice of protecting us or fighting us. The latter will guarantee their destruction even is we lose the fight at first.

We should resist tyranny, with our words. We should not bow down to lies. Sylvia Stolz just started a firestorm in Germany with her resistance. A few more incidents like her defense of the Reich could cause great unrest in the power structure. Yahweh will use anyone who is willing to take up that cross to open the eyes of others.

The cartoonish image of lone "patriots" resisting in the bush with camo gear is what our enemies laugh at. The image of hundreds of us visiting the local courts and cop shops every week to check up on our servants, and communicate effectively with them, strikes terror into the Jew. We dropped the ball. It's up to us to start using pressure. Not a ballot, not a bullet, but personal, direct pressure of communication with those in authority about our ideals, our faith, and the true nature of the enemy.

It does not hurt our cause to rattle the Jew's cage by encouraging tough talk in our public servants. Sabre rattling does cause the enemy to spend time and resources calculating what he cannot see. But tough talk should not come from individuals. It looks retarded when one lone guy says, "I'm gonna fight da fedrill gubrinmint." I am going to forward the Utah Sheriff's letter to other law enforcement and encourage them to do some soul searching on the matter.

The Federal Government will ignore the letter from the Utah Sheriff's association and proceed as planned to try to gradually disarm us. This does not matter. The precedent has been set, that the people's elected servants have sought redress of grievances in writing. The denial of that redress will eventually cause more resistance and redress from other elected servants. All of that will be ignored, too. This is what led to the American revolution in the 1700s. This is what solidified the positions of local leaders and pastors AGAINST the central power of King George. It was a process where even the local yokels saw that none of us win if we continue to submit. That day is coming. I don't know how long, but it is in the works. I know because I can stand in a store and talk about the anti-chris Jews and how they are planning to slaughter the white race, without anyone trying to pick a fight, listeners rapt with attention. One young lady barely out of high school told me, "Do they think we are buying all these guns and ammo so we can just let them come and take it from us?" A woman in her sixties, full of anger, told me that as a people we need to get up and do something about this. Most women her age used to be just worried about the social security check and medicare payments. My own grandmother, a seriously misguided bible thumper, was watching some anti-white propaganda on TV and said, "Oh my god, they want to kill all us white people!" She had never heard the identity message and figured that out on her own. These people can come around to the truth.

As the economy gradually worsens, the middle class that was able to reach for the "good life" of capitalist enterprise will be less and less able to live a middle class lifestyle. This will be a simmering cauldron. If we see more public servants writing letters like the one the Utah Sheriffs put out, that is a sign of things to come. The declining and bewildered middle class that is losing the white picket fence will be a pressure on local government. As Christians, we need to elucidate the truth in that power vacuum.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Staropramen » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:08 am

Lets say you convince every white person that you talk to that there is a jewish program to exterminate white people and you effectively ignite a fire within them to do something about it. As long as those people continue to be fornicators, liars, cheats, drunks, homosexuals and reject Christ in their lives nothing will be accomplished.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Filidh » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:30 pm

If you're discussing literature alone, Covington's novels (which you can get for free at archive.org) are good. Although the glossary of terms is blatantly wrong about identity Christianity, has been since the first book, and regardless of whether you email him explaining precisely why it's wrong, he won't change it.

However, a lot of it is pretty much action-movie style victories. One example being, a scene where the NVA is defending a beach-head against a US incursion, and they only hold the beach because one of the nigger officers on one of the ships causes a missile to explode while still inside of the ship due to niggardly stupidity, tanking the whole thing and winning the battle for the Whites.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Michael » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:07 am

I admit I have to work on myself when it comes to the issue of working alongside non-Christians in any move to try and preserve and protect our white kindred folk. It is just that no matter how much we try and convince others of the correct path that DSCI is, there will always be those folk who for no reason of any faith based outlook will know that it is just right that they act to preserve their race and live in a society that has laws, morals, and ethics, that reflect christian laws, morals and ethics. Are we not meant to work with these folk?

I understand fully that these other faiths, such as Paganism, Wicconism, Judeo-Christianity, etc etc, are actually Trojan Horses (acknowledging that Trojans were white folk) to any preservation of a white society, as they generally embrace the idea of evolution, and of course NEVER identify those claiming to be Judeans (jews). If they cannot identify the non-Whites for what they are, upon what basis can they convince others to want to build a society free of those "things". Maybe herein lies one point that could explain why our "white nationalist movement" has never got past first base.

In Covington's books a number of charactors are Odinists. I understand fully this realm of sagas are recountings of the events of the creation of the Adamic family and the family of Cain, as well as the existence of pre-Adamic Fallen Angels, and the Scandanavian folk carried this history in the form of these sagas, just as the Greeks and Romans did with their myths. However, my question is this......is Odinism a specifically racial world view, with the preservation of the race an important certainty? I do not know enough about it to answer this question. Maybe others here can? If not, then it follows that even a Negriod or a Mongoliod can become an Odinist?

Maybe we should start a thread that analyses these other world views that are supposedly a part of white nationalism, and highlight how they will, through their own beliefs, or lack thereof, actually fail to defend a white separatist society?
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 7 16-19 KJV
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Vandal » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:14 am

Michael wrote:Maybe we should start a thread that analyses these other world views that are supposedly a part of white nationalism, and highlight how they will, through their own beliefs, or lack thereof, actually fail to defend a white separatist society?


Already Done.

The Failure of White Nationalism: Follow the Leaderless, Lead the Disobedient
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PAGANS VS. CHRISTIANS: WHO HAS “WHITE POWER?”
http://vandal.christogenea.org/2011/04/ ... ite-power/

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