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C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby NicoChristian » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:31 pm

I was wondering what you thought of the following books if you have read them.

The Turner diaries, a classic that has inspired many copies and real-life events. Not a bad read, but written by an anti-Christian weirdo William Pierce, sad to say.

Hunter, another interesting read, but has some anti-Christian rhetoric and by the sounds of it the author sounded rather sexually depraved, judging by his writing.

The Cadre, written by a William Pierce admirer, but a poor attempt to write a book like the Turner Diaries. This is obviously copied from numerous others and has nothing original, not worth reading to be honest.

Patriot Act, one of my favourites, this has a more pro-Christian standpoint. Well worth reading, written by Doug Hanks.

Those are about all the books I can think of right now. Feel free to comment on the books or to tell of some other good reads.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Fenwick » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:17 pm

I liked The Turner Diaries, storywise. At the time the negroes killing an alleycat for being white seemed ludicrous, but following the Trayvon killing there were rumours of a white man in a white suit in a white van looking for blacks to kill, so it's not that far off the mark in judging the mood of the people of the present decade. It's a pity Pierce was so hostile to Christianity, as his supremacist stance was a lot more realistic than the cringing "racial separatists" of today. But at it's heart it's just another fantasy of a godless atheistic revolution, and it would not happen in the real world.


Hunter was also written by Pierce actually, as a sort of prequel to The Turner Diaries (Yeager ends up founding the precursor to the same Order that Turner later joins). It was more Pierce's attempt to delineate how the revolution in TTD would actually be organized. Something along the lines of a legal movement educating people while lone wolves carry out assassinations to panic the establishment.

He mentions Christian Identity more directly in Hunter, calling us something like retarded bible bashing rednecks, and valuing us only as a means to trick the stupid into becoming racialists. He also pulls a David Duke and quotes from the OT Law as evidence of jewish evil.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Vandal » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:08 am

I haven't read any of those books. I've heard of the Turner Diaries but I haven't read them. What I heard is they are like a recipe for all kind of direct action stuff. Not my cup of tea; I don't believe it is moral to glorify individual violence or insurrection, not even in a fictional setting. Anyway, that's my thought based on what I heard about the diaries. I did read David Lane's Kinsland Defense book a long time ago. It was appalling. Only morbid fascination with the plot kept me reading it. It was full of seedy sexual innuendo that was completely unnecessary and over the top. He had some kind of penchant for rape fantasy and multiple partner sex, hardly an Aryan ideal. It was like a seedy pulp fiction novel for wannabe Nazis.

I'd like to find a book or story that glorifies the rise of people to a state of national resurrection. I don't believe our freedom will be achieved by ad-hoc military means, especially since most people today, including so-called soldiers, are incapable of real discipline and moral intestinal fortitude. Sure, the future may be different, but I don't see it. Yahweh will have to intervene on this, so I don't usually bother with reading like the Turner Diaries because I don't see it a good use of free time. Ciaocesceu's removal by the people, with the assent of the police and military, happened, and such is possible, although not probable because of the kind of animals Americans lately imitate. So "direct action" novels are just a bit too far out for me.

I'd also like to see manuals on methods of resistance that focus on using the system and the laws in place to cause indigestion to cretins and tyrants with legal ways of giving them their due. That kind of legal, direct action, even as a "lone wolf" throwing wrenches in the bureaucratic gears, is appealing to me because it does not get innocent people killed.

As for books that I really like, lets put down C.O. Stadsklev's parables.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Staropramen » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:15 am

William Pierce, David Lane and especially David Puke [because he still walks among us] are/were all servants of hell that hated their own race because they hated God. You can't have it both ways. If you hate God you hate His people. I'm through white washing these clowns because allegedly their motives are pure despite being "misguided". Nonsense, call these traitors out for what they are and expose their dangerous philosophies. Davey Puke can call himself a christian all day long but everytime he identifies the people of the OT as "jews" he shows his true nature. He wrote in one of his books that he's aware of CI but rejects it on theological grounds. Have you ever heard this airhead reference the bible? He's about as qualified to offer sound biblical exegesis as I am to perform brain surgery. He continually distorts OT passages to explain the wickedness of the jews. He takes the very thing that nourishes the soul of our people and disguises it as something abhorrant, foreign and deadly for the elevation of his own name.

I can respect people like George Lincoln Rockwell. He was an atheist but he didn't attack Christianity in fact he often spoke about the importance of Christianity and his commitment to preserving it at all costs. This was a searching man that I believe was legitimately blind to the Truth and in fact I have heard that he was embracing CI through Wesley Swift just before he was killed. But these so-called "white nationalists" that attack Christianity on a regular basis should be treated like jews. They have every opportunity to hear the Kingdom Identity message. I make a distinction between the blind and the willfully blind.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Kentucky » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:09 pm

Vandal wrote:I haven't read any of those books. I've heard of the Turner Diaries' but I haven't read them. What I heard is they are like a recipe for all kind of direct action stuff. Not my cup of tea; I don't believe it is moral to glorify individual violence or insurrection, not even in a fictional setting. Anyway, that's my thought based on what I heard about the diaries. I did read David Lane's Kinsland Defense book a long time ago. It was appalling. Only morbid fascination with the plot kept me reading it. It was full of seedy sexual innuendo that was completely unnecessary and over the top. He had some kind of penchant for rape fantasy and multiple partner sex, hardly an Aryan ideal. It was like a seedy pulp fiction novel for wannabe Nazis.

'The Turner Diaries' and 'Hunter' have become the bibles of a cult following of escapists and lost souls. Neither book ever had the punch or inspiration of a 'Mein Kampf,' which actually motivated people to do good. The only people that took these books to heart were Bob Mathew's 'The Order.' This group is as misbegotten as the books they tried to emulate, because they mixed their gods with Christian Identity and thus were doomed to fail; it is even purported that David Lane was part indian.

I'd like to find a book or story that glorifies the rise of people to a state of national resurrection.

I've recommended the following book for years, even though it was written for children. Letter Six is especially delightful to young minds. 'Letters to Jessica' : http://www.bornagainclassics.com/letterstojessica/

I'd also like to see manuals on methods of resistance that focus on using the system and the laws in place to cause indigestion to cretins and tyrants with legal ways of giving them their due. That kind of legal, direct action, even as a "lone wolf" throwing wrenches in the bureaucratic gears, is appealing to me because it does not get innocent people killed.

I used to hang out with the legal eagles, tax protesters, Jural Societies, Leroy Schweitzer types (Montana Freemen) and their intentions were good and it could be a lot of fun in the courtroom watching those black robed devils squirm, because somebody knew their law better than them. But, after all was said and done, the system was so corrupt that the truth or being right had little or nothing to do with reality. In fact, in more recent years the system has dealt with paralegal patriots as paper terrorists and have either killed them or put them in jail. And then there's a slew of experts and wizards who are more than willing to sell their silver bullet manuals of writs and motions for $500 to gullible and desperate customers on the verge of losing their homes. I think Deut 28 is still the best monkey wrench to upset the apple cart. I was in the Populist Party for 10 years and one day I had an epiphany: that we can never affect the body politic without and first realizing the spiritual priorities of the Word. I know I'm singing to the choir, but "Seek ye first the Kingdom..." puts the cart behind the horse.

As for books that I really like, lets put down C.O. Stadsklev's parables.

I'm giving my age away, but I remember listening to him on Sunday mornings on the radio. He was Sheldon Emry's mentor in Minnesota.

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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Kentucky » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:19 pm

Staropramen wrote:I can respect people like George Lincoln Rockwell. He was an atheist but he didn't attack Christianity in fact he often spoke about the importance of Christianity and his commitment to preserving it at all costs. This was a searching man that I believe was legitimately blind to the Truth and in fact I have heard that he was embracing CI through Wesley Swift just before he was killed. But these so-called "white nationalists" that attack Christianity on a regular basis should be treated like jews. They have every opportunity to hear the Kingdom Identity message. I make a distinction between the blind and the willfully blind.

I think Rockwell was more of an agnostic than an atheist. The very first time I heard about Christian Identity was from Pastor Ralph Forbes, who was Rockwell's chaplain in the NSWPP. And yes, Rockwell was warming up to our message just before he was assassinated. I think Pierce had an agenda or was a shill for those who despised CI. I wrote him several courteous letters explaining the error of calling jews "Hebes" or "the tribe" to no avail. He had no excuse for pleading ignorance. It was as deliberate as all these other White Nationalist who continue to regurgitate the jewish propaganda/disinformation that jews are God's chosen people. It makes you wonder whose side are they on?

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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Staropramen » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:16 pm

Kentucky wrote:I think Rockwell was more of an agnostic than an atheist.


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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Vandal » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:43 pm

It just dawned on me that you old timers really are a wealth of information and pitfalls to avoid. I wish I had more time to sit down for a few hours and ask hundreds of questions. Right now I just jump in, rattle off a rant, then go back to work, jump in for a stint, and I'm off again. It makes me feel fragmented.

Mark, What was your impression of Statsklev? What manner of man was he?

And as for pitfalls to avoid, I learned about that stuff really fast. I was once pumping a jural society manual for a guy, and lost contact with him for about two years. Last I heard, he was staying with some Mexicans after the local courts took his house. He had some wonderful historical material, but was a bit apologetic for the Jews. I pointed out some of his ideas that I did not agree with, but he did do a pretty good job of going around patriot mythology to get to some good basic doctrine of law. The problem is, the courts, judges, lawyers, don't care one iota about the law. It's just a weapon they twist to their agenda.

If every prisoner in every prison wrote and filed an official grievance for every single violation of regulation or rights on a daily basis, the prison system would be financially destroyed dealing with the grievances. If one million Americans filed legal suit against the bureaucrats that oppress them, the courts would run out of money very quickly. People did this in the soviet union and it was actually a big part of its collapse. They used the rules in place to create so much legal liability that the infrastructure was stressed to breaking. But here in America, we have football and American Idol. Nobody can be bothered with sticking it to the man.
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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Kentucky » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:49 pm

Vandal wrote:Mark, What was your impression of Statsklev? What manner of man was he?

Statsklev was old school Anglo Israel, which was something in between BI and CI. He was always formal, gentlemanly and thematic in his presentations. In his later years his voice became quite disjointed for radio, but that gave the listeners the impression that they were listening to a very wise old man. His contemporaries were Robert Bruce Record (from Escondito, CA, who also had a radio program), Conrad Gaard, Howard B. Rand, Karl Schott and Curtis Claire Ewing. I had the privilege of being tutored by Ewing for 2 years before he died.

And as for pitfalls to avoid, I learned about that stuff really fast. I was once pumping a jural society manual for a guy, and lost contact with him for about two years. Last I heard, he was staying with some Mexicans after the local courts took his house. He had some wonderful historical material, but was a bit apologetic for the Jews. I pointed out some of his ideas that I did not agree with, but he did do a pretty good job of going around patriot mythology to get to some good basic doctrine of law. The problem is, the courts, judges, lawyers, don't care one iota about the law. It's just a weapon they twist to their agenda.

I only knew about the Washington state Jural Society, although they were in other states and somewhat autonomous from each other. There was always a lunatic fringe that would come out of the woodwork with these groups. But, by and large I met a lot of nice people and it was a good recruiting ground for CI.

If every prisoner in every prison wrote and filed an official grievance for every single violation of regulation or rights on a daily basis, the prison system would be financially destroyed dealing with the grievances.

In my prison ministry, I help as many jailhouse lawyers as I can with affidavits, notarized documents and official paperwork to get approved sanctions for Christian Identity groups (like all other "religions"). I think it depends which prison one is dealing with to get any adjudication. I'm a consultant in one state for CI recognition, whereas in another state all of my materials (and appeals)are rejected with the lame excuse that it may incite racial violence. Unfortunately, i don't think every prisoner in every prison has the will to fight the system. The horror stories I hear convinces me that the system is abysmally corrupt.

If one million Americans filed legal suit against the bureaucrats that oppress them, the courts would run out of money very quickly. People did this in the soviet union and it was actually a big part of its collapse. They used the rules in place to create so much legal liability that the infrastructure was stressed to breaking. But here in America, we have football and American Idol. Nobody can be bothered with sticking it to the man.

Well, that's the key in finding a million volunteers. The enemy has calculated an algebra of distractions.

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Re: C.I. and White Nationalist literature

Postby Michael » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:33 am

Well, with this post I am going to be no-doubt criticised by many in the "Movement" for making the comments that I do. However, in light of the seemingly insurmountable intellectual conflict between DSCI and other elements of white nationalism, and the harm this is doing to any conserted effort that white folk are trying to make to conserve their race, I thought I would wade with some thoughts. Given this is a thread that is dedicated to "White Nationalist Literature": my focus is on analysing Covington's recent publication "Freedom's Sons".

Obviously this discussion touches on a subject and people with much history in Christian Identity, with the main proponent of a white's only territory in the Northwest of course being the old AN headed by Pastor Butler. I did not know him, but know of most of the history surrounding the events.

When one criticises another in WNism, one is usually derided in the usual way by saying ...oh you want it all your way, or no way at all. Like a kindergarten playground this criticism often comes the way of Identity. Whilst many in DSCI suppport the Northwest Imperitive, many don't, for one reason or another. Of course it is their free choice. I personally have never heard anyone criticise the imperitive itself from within CI. From what I have seen in Covington's works, and his other activities, he has done his best to try and balance or dissapate these problems and keep his eye on the goal of a separate white nation. However, as I will attempt to illustrate below, some aspects of his storyline writings play into the jews and liberal's hands.

As an aside I would happily fight along side a white brother for the cause of white preservation even if he believed in Odin, or was an athiest, or otherwise. I will be criticised by some in CI for saying this, but I don't care, as such a person is still a white brother supporting white preservation and separation. I think many in CI take my position. However, from what I see the pagans and athiests etc in WN seem to hate christians more than they love their own kind, and they seem to be the ones raising the conflicts when and where they arise, which is pretty much everywhere in the Movement.

As I see it, it is a problem with deep roots, and has as much to do with any given person's strong personality not wanting to be ruled by any set of life rules, as it has to do with hating a "dead jew on a stick"...as the athiests and pagans scream.

Getting to the analysis of Covington's book. Being the final book of the series that focussed on the years following the gaining of independence of a white homeland, it was reasonably foreseeable that some attempt would be made in the story line to intellectually justify the creation of a whites only territory to the outside world. I for one do not think that is at all necessary, as if you have the force and power to defend your nation from all-comers, then to hell with justifying anything to them. Of course Covington did it to try to show to other whites that did(do) not support separation, that the "racists" are even intellectually correct, (if not at least rational for trying to separate from the growing mud and its resulting degradation of civil society). This is of course is the great challenge, especially in North America where judeo christianity has such a hold, and where in my opinion DSCI stands apart from other positions. Why is it so important to convince other whites that separation is a correct path? Because, lets face it, any conflict of importance is going to be between whites, as was the American Civil War, WWI, and WWII. Taking on non-whites is a turkey shoot, and everyone knows that. But a crazed white Judeo-Christian, or a crazed white Marxist, is a worthy military opponent. History has proven that. Covington's entire collection of books indeed is really about taking on the white Judeo-Christian, liberal and Marxist forces in the USA and Western World. So one can see why Covington veered into this path of trying to build an intellectual justification for separation. Unfortunately, how he did it, in my opinion, is a good example of why non-CI end up loosing an intellectual argument with a lberal. In short, his story line supported the idea of the white caucasian being an evolved species.

As part of the storyline goes, post-Revolution , in the whites only Northwest Republic somewhere near Missoula Montana, an ancient site was being excavated and caucasian remains were discovered that were carben dated and so proven to be pre-Amerindian. This of course supported the Kennewick Man findings, and showed that caucasians had dwelt on the North American continent before the mongoliod Amerindians. This was fine, and the story could have finished there and the point could have been made to the libtards, but unfortunately further down the layers of findings were found cro-magnon man remains, in the same level as caucasian remains no less. A little earlier in the story the evolution of the caucasoid race from the cro-magnon species was intimated as being possible.

Evolution of course lets liberals jump through a number of hoops. The main one here being that..."oh well, yeah, it seems white folk were here in the North American continent first, but as we are all evolved from a common ancestor, there is no real difference between races accept evolutionay chance, and so we must all try to get along in this global village of ours". Game, set, and match for white separatism! ...and so the white war continues between the separatists on one side, and the Judeos, Marxists, and liberals on the other....white man's blood just keeps on getting spilt. Why Covington kept going with making that point about evolution I do not know. Evolution is unproven. He could have quite easily left it with caucasian remains being found, and his to-date fictional point to the liberals would have been made, especially in light of the already existing evidence in North America of pre-Amerindian European habitation.

But this is my point, somehow a white separatist has to make a rational well supported argument as to why they should be separate. Why? For a very pragmatic, rational, and real reason....because the liberal and Judeo forces are so strong at present. Can the separatists separate long enough for the liberal and judeo rest to be overwhelmed by the mud that the liberal and judeo rest are supporting, probably not, as the liberals and Judeos will most definately try to destroy the separatists if not immediately, within at least 15 years...a time frame that still would see the judeos having enough strength to crush a separatist attempt. In Freedom's Sons the separatists were able to defend their territory, as in the 12 years between independence and the attempt to reunify the Union, the separatists developed a defence weapon that shot down the attacking forces etc. Maybe this can be done, maybe it can't. It is of course hypothetical. This of course does not mean a drive for separation should not be begun and grown. However, in my opinion, changing the minds of more of the judeos must be a priority at present given their obvious hegemony. Like it or not, those driving for separation must admit this as a reality.

By and large pagan and athiest whites cannot put forward any well founded argument for separation that cannot be somehow shot down by liberals or judeo-christians (acknowledgement that the very term as "Judeo Christian is a corruption). As said, of course we would all like it if we did not have to justify it to attempt to more judeos on our side, but military realities are what they are. Apart from the rising tide of mud eventually and hopefully turning the opinions of liberals and judeos (such is what is sort of occurring in SA at present), other scholarly methods must be employed unfortunately. DSCI on the otherhand does have those scholarly underpinnings that beat judeos and liberals at their own game. Of course M Dees et al will argue CI developed their positions with such an end goal in mind. Well of course we know, and so does he, that that was not, and is not the, case.

The better approach in North America in my opinion is to keep trying to change the minds of those dam white Judeo Christian idiots.

As said, I don't know why Covington took that extra step and veered into evolution. Maybe others has some ideas on this? Notwithstanding that CI forms the backbone of any drive for white preservation in North America, as well as the history of the Northwest Imperitive itself being mostly CI, Covington continues to refer to jews as hebes etc, and generally agrees that although most jews are of Khazaar ancestry, some ARE of the actual Isrealites of the Scriptures. This last point is upheld by a number of references throughout Freedom's Sons, one in particular where he noted that "Jews" had to be acknowledged for also been early developers of Bronze age technology, as such technology has obviously been found in the Levant!

Overall with Covington I have found it disappointing that he has not availed himself of the much SECULAR evidence ( I do not expect him to use scriptural evidence) that those claiming to be Judeans today, are in fact not AT ALL in any way scriptural Judeans. Maybe I missed it somewhere in his books. If I have, I would be happy to be shown where he has done, and withdraw my criticism. I don't expect him to agree with the movements of the Isrealite peoples into Europe (even though there is also much SECULAR evidence to prove this), but by leaving this out secular evidence that the jews of today are not at all the Isrealites of the Scriptures, he has wasted a grande opportunity to educate those white folks who are stuck in judeo-christianity, and will defend its flawed tenets with their very lives. The problem with the White population in North America today, is that even though a judeo may hate a nigger, beaner, chink, or jew with a passion, because their religion says they should love everyone, and especially protect those claiming to be judeans, they will accept them in their society, and even lay down their very lives for them. Simply put, a judeo loves their PERCIEVED Jesus more than he/she hates niggers, beaners, spiks, chinks and those "retrobate" ones claiming to be joos. By omitting such simple, available, and even secular evidence from his works that those claiming to be jews are in fact NOT IN ANY WAY AT ALL, Covington has done quite a disservice to the movement, in my opinion. Especially when he generally goes to much detail in his books to describe different aspects of history, etc. Again, maybe he has somewhere in his texts, and I missed it. I'm talking evidence such as the historian Josephus clearly describing how the Herod Dynasty in Judea was in fact of the Edomite race that had moved into Judea over the preceeding century or so.

Notwithstanding these few parts of Freedom Son's and Covington's other works, Covington's insights and story lines lay out many very rational and workable storyline actions for a possible separating of white folk from the rest of the world. From how eventual reaction to the overreaching state will occur, and the going to ground of guerilla elements, and the expansion of this, and how the state will deal with this whilst the state's very viability itself comes under pressure due to the growing Third World society and economy. I do not agree however with Covington's assesments that countries such as France will be completely destroyed by Third Worlders before there are nationalist reactions of substance. Nor do I agree that the state of Isreal cannot defend itself without US help. The UK, will certainly drag anyone they can into a defence of the Isreali state. (Indeed, it was Australian and NZ forces that cleared Palestine during WWI to start with, not US forces...Another case of jews using whites for their dirty work).

Additionally, Covington's building of charactors and plot is also very interesting.
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