Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:43 pm
Maybe they're fixing up some new images to replace them that look more like Menahem, Moshe, Zev, Dov and Yoram who are running around Tel Aviv today ....
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:43 pmRe: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:13 amGee, someone at CNN must have noticed too ... the gallery of images is already gone ("expired")!! Took less than one day to fix that little PC slip...
Maybe they're fixing up some new images to replace them that look more like Menahem, Moshe, Zev, Dov and Yoram who are running around Tel Aviv today ....
Maybe they're fixing up some new images to replace them that look more like Menahem, Moshe, Zev, Dov and Yoram who are running around Tel Aviv today ....
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:01 amIt's still up, Pilgrim... at least for me it is. 
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:23 amVictorSwitzer wrote:It's still up, Pilgrim... at least for me it is.
Yes, its back! But not last night ... "Gallery Expired...please check other topics..." appeared in a gray box.
Anyway, indeed, they look about as white as it gets ... wonder how those "black israelites" would try to spin this...
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:45 pmPILGRIM wrote:VictorSwitzer wrote:It's still up, Pilgrim... at least for me it is.
Yes, its back! But not last night ... "Gallery Expired...please check other topics..." appeared in a gray box.
Anyway, indeed, they look about as white as it gets ... wonder how those "black israelites" would try to spin this...
You know them ignorant Negroes would claim that it is a conspiracy of the white man
trying to keep the Negro down. I am just sick of their, "oh please pity me routine."
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:54 pmHere is their spin! http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/23/3511/#comment-30973
I only hope that my comments actually stay up.
I only hope that my comments actually stay up.
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:55 pmMany paintings depict Jesus Christ as having long hair and a beard. Even old painting have this Jewish appearance for the Almighty. Isn't it funny that 3rd century paintings such as here show Yahweh as being close cropped and clean shaven. I guess the Judeo look has been around for centuries with older paintings of Jesus and the Apostles looking as though they are jew or non-white. Through deception they wage war against Israel.
http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery/230_dura_europos.htm
*I took the liberty of fixing your link EDW--Matt Ott*
http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery/230_dura_europos.htm
*I took the liberty of fixing your link EDW--Matt Ott*
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:10 pmmatthewott wrote:Here is their spin! http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/23/3511/#comment-30973
I only hope that my comments actually stay up.
A added a couple of very brief comments of my own ...
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:28 pmAs I was searching the site EDW tried to post a link to, I found this...and I'm sure you'll all see what caught my attention.
http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery/350_christ_and_apostles_catacomb_domitilla.htm
Further perusing of this site brought me to this... http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm
Anyone see what I see? Most of the earliest depictions show him clean shaven, and obviously white, with no hint of JEW anywhere. I am pleased to see that almost all the pictures do show Him as a WHITE man, but no "Jesus" gallery would be complete without PC pictures....
http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery/350_christ_and_apostles_catacomb_domitilla.htm
Further perusing of this site brought me to this... http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm
Anyone see what I see? Most of the earliest depictions show him clean shaven, and obviously white, with no hint of JEW anywhere. I am pleased to see that almost all the pictures do show Him as a WHITE man, but no "Jesus" gallery would be complete without PC pictures....
Re: Oldest Known Images of the Apostles
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:48 amGood find.
The initial argument would be that since cultures model their art after their own physical appearances, then the Roman artist would simply depict Yashua and the disciples as Whites.
Two problems with that argument:
1. In the time period in which these frescos were made, White boys were hard to come by in Italia. A Roman artist would be familiar enough with other races to not necessarily fall back on White faces as a standard model.
2. Building on 1, the artist would be also extremely familiar with what an Edomite would look like. If he felt that the Holy One and his entourage were Jewish, he would have depicted them as such.
So the argument is weak at best.
The initial argument would be that since cultures model their art after their own physical appearances, then the Roman artist would simply depict Yashua and the disciples as Whites.
Two problems with that argument:
1. In the time period in which these frescos were made, White boys were hard to come by in Italia. A Roman artist would be familiar enough with other races to not necessarily fall back on White faces as a standard model.
2. Building on 1, the artist would be also extremely familiar with what an Edomite would look like. If he felt that the Holy One and his entourage were Jewish, he would have depicted them as such.
So the argument is weak at best.