Alcohol

[CIman]

This is a freaking epidemic! We have to ban water!

LOL

Mr. Judeo her by my side who's just come home from the latest Jimmy Swaggart sermon says that the Devil planted water on earth to deceive us...

[martin41]

Just for the sake of argument, here is an article that I came across that I thought might be worth imbibing in order to lift our Spirits.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVansw ... 4-10b.html

[CIman]

Just for the sake of argument, here is an article that I came across that I thought might be worth imbibing in order to lift our Spirits.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVansw ... 4-10b.html

I understand Mark's opinion in this matter, but to me this is just typical judeo-garbage and twisting of words that they frequently engage in (just like the word "gentile" and "world"). I think Bill has proven--without a shadow of a doubt--that fermented wine is mentioned in the scriptures and as a blessing from Yahweh. Wine is a gift from Yahweh and has many, many health benefits if you use it in moderation. I myself basically don't drink any alcohol at all, but I do see the health benefits that moderate drinking can have. If you are a normal and rational man who takes responsibility for your own actions, you should also be able to drink alcohol in moderation (or anything else too for that matter).

I even think that Cannabis/Hemp is mentioned in the Bible as Kaneh Bosm.. I don't know if Bill can substantiate this or correct me but Kaneh Bosm is mentioned as a plant that the Levite priests used in the temple and that Solomon and other figures made ropes and other things from. Scythians also used cannabis, so I think there's something to this theory.. Just a speculation and it would be interesting if someone else could add some more information to this theory.

[martin41]

Following that line of thinking does that mean that it's OK to use even stronger drugs as long as it's only on the weekends? Where does it end?

[CIman]

Following that line of thinking does that mean that it's OK to use even stronger drugs as long as it's only on the weekends? Where does it end?

So we should--just like the US government--commit a war against plants, grapes and foods in nature that Yahweh created? I can, hypothetically, go out in nearby forests and collect a large sample of "psychedelic mushrooms" right now and other natural "drugs" if I want to.. I could even look for fermented grapes and fruits and eat them to make myself drunk. These things all grow naturally in nature and it's up to the individual to be responsible and not to overindulge.

Almost every plant in nature from the Coca leaf (has almost nothing at all to do with the rat poison Cocaine), Marijuana plant, fermented alcoholic grapes, "psychedelic mushrooms", poppy flower, etc, have medicinal benefits for people. Even coffe beans and sugar are "drugs" and carry medicinal benefits.. but people can also become "addicted" to these substances and harm themselves with them if they drink or eat too much. Maybe we should look for clues to ban coffe and sugar in the the scriptures?

There shouldn't be any problems (probably on the contrary) if you use all these natural plants and foods responsibly and in moderation (I'm not really promoting any of these things, but I don't see any problems at all with people taking these substances in limited quantitites in their homes). But if you have problems with self-control and can't drink alcohol, eat plants/foods or smoke them in responsible amounts (just like obese people have a problem with eating too much food), then you should probably stay away altogether from all of these things.

And of course I'm against the Hollywood nigger drug culture and promotion of alcohol. Jews actively promote alcoholism and the wigger/nigger weed-culture in the media to degenerate us.. but this does not mean that the plants in of themselves that Yahweh created are evil. Keep in mind that Jews also promote obesity and fast food-culture in their movies. Are cheese, beef, potatoes, and other foods evil just because they are ingredients in fast food and because Jews want to make people obese and unhealthy?

[Nayto]

Following that line of thinking does that mean that it's OK to use even stronger drugs as long as it's only on the weekends? Where does it end?

You can die from overconsumption of salt, eggs or water even. We just need to have the sensibility to use what we need in moderation and what is worth using at all. Ironically hemp is safer than over the counter painkillers you can get today. As with all things, don't go and abuse it.

I know someone who smokes it every morning and evening. Right at the start, I believe smoking hemp is always abuse. Anyway, every morning and evening is way too much for someone who doesn't need it. On the other hand I know someone with severe arthritis who uses it every evening for pain. He made a drink out of it, so it is a safe consumption method.

I personally believe stronger drugs are too dangerous to use and they don't add any value to life. To me that is just sensible, that alcohol and hemp are okay at the right time and in moderation, but stuff like meth, cocaine, heroine, etc are off limits completely.

[Kentucky]

Just for the sake of argument, here is an article that I came across that I thought might be worth imbibing in order to lift our Spirits.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVansw ... 4-10b.html

Thanks for the link Martin. It reiterates much of what I've been saying.

Mark

[Kentucky]

I understand Mark's opinion in this matter, but to me this is just typical judeo-garbage and twisting of words that they frequently engage in (just like the word "gentile" and "world"). I think Bill has proven--without a shadow of a doubt--that fermented wine is mentioned in the scriptures and as a blessing from Yahweh. Wine is a gift from Yahweh and has many, many health benefits if you use it in moderation.

How is my opinion jewish? The issue should not be cause for division with those trying to justify sobriety or those trying to justify drinking alcohol. The issue is the word "wine" itself. There are two choices; 1. wine means fermented grape juice or 2. wine is a generic word that has a multiplicity of meanings and applications. Nobody is arguing that fermented wine is not mentioned in the Bible. The principle involved for the thinking Christian is whether or not a particular passage can only be unilateral in definition. Even the words gentile and world have more than one meaning and so it behooves the Christian scholar to discern what the biblical principle and context is. Yes, in ancient times fermented wine had health benefits. "Keep yourself pure. Stop drinking only water and use a little wine instead, because of your stomach and your frequent ailments. The sins of some men are obvious, going ahead of them to judgment; but the sins of others do not surface until later" I Tim. 5:22-24. There's seems to be an awful lot of people with stomach problems these days lol.

Mark

[Les]

There's seems to be an awful lot of people with stomach problems these days lol.

Maybe they got worms !
speaking of worms, going off topic here, my brother told me when I was 4 years old to not eat raw cabbage or raw potatoes or I would get worms.
Incredible that I never bothered to research yet if that is true, about tapeworms/parasites/etc ...
hey, why would an older teenage brother lie to you ?

[CIman]

How is my opinion jewish? The issue should not be cause for division with those trying to justify sobriety or those trying to justify drinking alcohol. The issue is the word "wine" itself. There are two choices; 1. wine means fermented grape juice or 2. wine is a generic word that has a multiplicity of meanings and applications. Nobody is arguing that fermented wine is not mentioned in the Bible. The principle involved for the thinking Christian is whether or not a particular passage can only be unilateral in definition. Even the words gentile and world have more than one meaning and so it behooves the Christian scholar to discern what the biblical principle and context is. Yes, in ancient times fermented wine had health benefits. "Keep yourself pure. Stop drinking only water and use a little wine instead, because of your stomach and your frequent ailments. The sins of some men are obvious, going ahead of them to judgment; but the sins of others do not surface until later" I Tim. 5:22-24. There's seems to be an awful lot of people with stomach problems these days lol.

Mark

I didn't mean to say that your argument was jewish.. What I meant was that judeo-christians typically engage in word-twisting to justify their unscriptural theology. I believe this issue is one of those imho..

I personally believe stronger drugs are too dangerous to use and they don't add any value to life. To me that is just sensible, that alcohol and hemp are okay at the right time and in moderation, but stuff like meth, cocaine, heroine, etc are off limits completely.

"Stronger drugs" are often chemically man-made substances. Cocaine, heroin, meth, crack, etc.. they are all poisonous drugs being made by adding toxic and acidic substances.

This is how the rat poison cocaine is made,



Hemp/hash (contrary to popular propaganda hash is actually the same thing as cannabis but contains only the leaves from the plant pressed together to retrieve more THC (I believe that the hash oil-form is even more effective than regular hemp oil in combatting cancer and other illnesses)), opium and alcohol are all natural "drugs" growing in nature.

But even if they are natural they should, of course, be used responsibly (especially things like opium and alcohol).

Just as a sidenote.. I saw some video where they discussed opium use in the past and it was interesting to find out that many Sumerian/Mesopotamian mothers used to smear their nipples with opium from the poppy plants to make their babies become more relaxed and sleep better when they were breastfed.

Natural "drug-use" was probably much more prevalent among our ancestors than today. Today it's organ-damaging pharmaceuticals that have replaced the plants, foods and fruits.

I have always read that alcohol can be used therapeutically to fight bacteria and viruses. Drinking it can kill bacteria and viruses in the blood. Probably things more like vodka, everclear, or moonshine. I know doctors use rubbing alcohol to kill bacteria before injections.

Yes. One of my older relatives used to rub wounds and skin ailments with alcohol.
Saltwater can also be good to use for your skin problems.. but you could, of course, die from consuming too much saltwater..