Kentucky wrote:The argument is not really drunkenness, it is who is going to decide where you draw the line between moderation and drunkenness. And, of course, that is left up to the individual, not God....
It is clear in Scripture, that God Himself had left it up to the individual. Therefore one individual has no right to impose his own laws on other individuals whom God left it up to. That is referred to as Pharisaism, or Tyranny. Is that condonable because someone thinks it may "save lives"? Wow, what a slippery slope, that man thinks that he should make laws to "save lives".
Kentucky wrote:The Fall of Adam and Eve was due to the fact that they could not remove from their own mind any and all thoughts of indulging in that forbidden fruit (it really doesn't matter whether it was sex or an apple or whatever); they crossed the line and spoiled their glorified bodies. The curse has been with us ever since. I don't want to pop your bubble, but the principle of removing or banning or destroying the idols of the heart, which is the ultimate source of sin, is not without precedence in the Bible....
Not to touch of that certain tree was a commandment of God's law. Not to commit idolatry was a commandment of God's law. But if you are equating wine or beer with the "forbidden fruit" and "idols of the heart", but that equation is not made in God's law!
Kentucky wrote:Honestly, what was the higher good of Prohibition? Was it not saving lives? Or were these Christians just party poopers?
This same excuse has been used to regulate all sorts of things in Society which God's law does not regulate, and which continually burdens many of our people in many ways.
Prohibition actually cost many lives, destroyed many legitimate businesses, put the greater part of the liquor, beer and wine industries into the hands of the Jews, and people who really wanted to drink still did. Prohibition also helped to create the police state that we live in today, as well as the general mentality that supports it.
Prohibition also put a stop to cottage-industry alcohol fuel production, and made all of America's family farms dependent on Rockefeller gasoline.
Perhaps I am biased, my family's own brewery business was closed with Prohibition. They came from Germany as coopers in 1836, and opened a brewery in 1872. But all of that was long before I or my father were born.
Luke 11:46 wrote:And [Jesus] said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
I do not smoke marijuana, but I understand that it is evil to ban anything that God makes to grow out of His green earth. That would also include poppy and other things which may potentially be abused.
It is also evil to ban alcohol, as God created the circumstances by which it naturally occurs. Is it not plainly seen that grapes were
made to ferment when crushed and stored in jars? If that is not the case, why did God place yeasts in their skins?
Kentucky wrote:If you like statistics, I think during that era, you will see a decrease in alcohol-related deaths, not to mention the misery and tragedies that accompanied a wet society, which the nation reverted to after repeal....
According to a government historian friendly to Prohibition: "Rates of death diagnosed as caused by liver cirrhosis (15 per 100000 total population) and chronic alcoholism (10 per 100000 adult population) were high during the early years of the 20th century." Source:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/The couple of hundred people dying every year from these things, probably found a different way to kill themselves after alcohol was prohibited.
Taking the drug away does not solve the problesm which accompany a lack of self-control and personal responsibility.
Kentucky wrote:One last thing, as I said earlier, I'm not bashing any of my friends in this forum who indulge in recreational drinking and know how much is too much. I am simply stating truths as I understand them for myself and for the edification of one and all; one is free to take it or leave it. But, please don't take it personally. It's just a subject that needs discussion.
I hope not, LOL, I drank one bottle of Hofbräuhaus Oktoberfest during each of my last two podcasts, including last night's podcast on Feminism. Allowing women to vote was what tipped the scales in favor of the Prohibitionists.
Kentucky wrote:If there is no alcohol (booze), then there is no lives destroyed from it.
If there are no oceans, nobody will drown trying to swim. If there are no heights, nobody will fall to their deaths. Maybe we should join the flat earth society!