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Gaius wrote:Just in little Ireland --
http://alcoholireland.ie/facts/health-and-alcohol/
Eighty-eight deaths every month directly from alcohol.
Chronic alcoholism among young people.
Alcohol a factor in up to one-third of death from unnatural causes.
Etc.
Be careful what kind of witness you are giving, brethren.
wmfinck wrote:But as EzraLB wisely pointed out, the same argument could be used by those who would take all of our guns. We can extend that logic to knives, bows & arrows, baseball bats, hammers, etc.
Nayto wrote:On average does alcohol in the home do more good than harm? Probably not.
Nayto wrote:wmfinck wrote:But as EzraLB wisely pointed out, the same argument could be used by those who would take all of our guns. We can extend that logic to knives, bows & arrows, baseball bats, hammers, etc.
I don't think we should reduce the comparison to such simple factors. We should honestly consider the overall good each has on society. On average do guns in the home do more good than harm? Yes. On average does alcohol in the home do more good than harm? Probably not.
wmfinck wrote:Gaius, nobody here is promoting alcohol abuse. God forbid!
But as EzraLB wisely pointed out, the same argument could be used by those who would take all of our guns. We can extend that logic to knives, bows & arrows, baseball bats, hammers, etc.
Where does the madness end, and where does the man begin to take responsibility for himself when he abuses any tool, or any substance, rather than put the blame elsewhere?
Christianity is also personal responsibility, and the apostles preached moderation in all things.
EzraLB wrote:It's interesting that gun-grabbers use the same argument--without guns, there are no gun deaths. Prohibitionists argued that by making alcohol illegal and impossible to get, that it would cure many of our social ills. Eliminate all food, and we will have no gluttony. Remove the sin by removing the temptation. Remove the jews and live happily ever after.
Why did Yahweh accept strong drink offerings,
and why was alcohol not barred in the Law?
EzraLB wrote:Nayto, the statistics on alcohol abuse simply do not support this claim that you are making.
Alcohol abuse was defined as drinking-related failure to fulfill major obligations at work, school or home; social or legal problems; and drinking in hazardous situations. Alcoholism was characterized by compulsive drinking; preoccupation with drinking; and tolerance to alcohol or withdrawal symptoms.
wmfinck wrote:It is not about whether any particular item has done harm or good. It is about whether or not men themselves take the blame for their actions, or whether they will continue to lay the blame where it doers not belong.
Why did Yahweh accept strong drink offerings, and why was alcohol not barred in the Law? We see restrictions on alcohol consumption placed on priests in the performance of their duties. That implies that drink was acceptable when they were not performing their duties.
The vow of the Nazarite prohibited alcohol, so we see that dedication to God commands abstinence. There is a proper season for everything, and the law is our schoolmaster.
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