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GermanSaxon wrote: CI Teacher Charles A. Weisman discusses these verses in his "A What About Seedline Doctrine" book on Page 29-30:
"Let’s turn to the supposed satanic nature of Cain. If the serpent was a satanic entity, and if Cain was the offspring of this serpent, then Cain too would be satanic. He would have also inherited the curse of the serpent, being “cursed above all cattle” (Gen. 3:14). This leads us to ask, would God have accepted such a person as heir to Adam? No sound reasoning could say that He would. Yet that was exactly God’s position towards Cain. When Cain had offered an inappropriate sacrifice, God said to him:
"And the LORD said to Cain, Why are you wroth? And why is your countenance fallen?
If you do well, shall you not be accepted? And if you do not well, sin lies at the door.
Genesis 4:6-7"
God could have rightly made this statement to Abel, Adam, or any Israelite. They would be “accepted” if they do what God desired. But was God willing to accept some cursed, half-breed, satanic mongrel? No! He was, however, prepared to accept Cain because he was Adamic, not satanic. God also places Cain on equal footing with Abel by calling Abel Cain’s “brother” (Gen. 4:9).
The Bible is clear that Cain was the son of Adam. To say that he was the son of the serpent or Satan requires some rather twisted reasoning and bad interpretation."
Used with permission from of Charles A. Weisman book: What About The Seedline Doctrine?, Charles A. Weisman, Copyright January 1997, Weisman Publications, Burnsville, Minn.
German Saxon
Genesis 4:7 wrote:If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
GermanSaxon wrote:
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Reads a little different in the Greek. "Satanic Duell Seedline Doctrine" doctrine can not be taught in the Greek. This is why the Septuagint must be trash canned for the sake of "Satanic Duell Seedline Doctrine." Or called a "Jewish Authorities Version." When the truth is the Masorite text is the jewish version of scripture of the Old Testament. As Rabbi Ginsberg said:
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The problem is that the "Satanic Duell Seedline Doctrine" can be not be taught from the Greek or Bill, who is a Greek expert & Brian would use the Septuagint. It can only be taught using the Jewish Masorectic text and quotes the the Talmud and Kaballah which Bill & Brain have to have to buttress this doctrine. It's origin is the Talmud, and after all of Clifton's research, I find it hard to believe that doesn't know that, too.
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German Saxon
MikeTheAdamite wrote:Is it true Hunter that even ANY Adamite can sin?as I thought only those under the law could really sin,those being Israelites.
That surely can be the only way of defining a sinner-an Israelite who brakes the law of God?
I hope Im not over simplifying your point!
And when Christ said 's good tree can only produce good fruit',isn't the fruit a reference to offspring,and not the works that that tree is able to do?
GermanSaxon wrote:The name "November" is mostly a German, Austrian, Hungarian Christian surname as a example. I sorta laughed when a Jewess was quoted as a expert on the name. Do CI people trust Jews as the norm. Having over 25 years experience as a Genealogist I got sort of a kick out of that. I found many primary documents that attested that the name is not Jewish although a small number of Jews use that last name, too.
Imagine Googling the name "November" and finding such nonsense on this website. You just lost the 98% Christian "Novembers" to the CI cause after reading such offensive material. And Eli wasn't even a "November."
I don't think Jesus said you would know them by their names but by their Fruits.
German Saxon
GermanSaxon wrote:Bill,
I started to post this response under the forum topic "Joe November Baker the Faker" but chose to take it to you directly.
As a genealogist for 30 years I investigated the last name "November" on the premier "Ancestry" website after reading the quote below:
"This must be, ostensibly, because nobody in their right minds would donate money to a Christian Identity "pastor" named "Joseph November", who claims to be German - even Bavarian - although the name is not found anywhere in Germany. "
I also read the supposed research on Zogbots listed as "November Name Data" which I found it to be a poor website which completely missed the material I sent you below.
The results of my research listed over 500 births in Germany, Hungary, Austria, Poland and Russia with this last name "November". Most of these births were in Germany. Examples are:
Bernard November 18 May 1873 - Kassel, Germany
Dora November abt 1846 – Germany
Charles Newcombre abt 1848 - Germany
[Charles November]
Joseph November Aug 1875 - Germany
This clearly established the "November" name as mostly German in origin. This name can also be "Novem" as it is spelled in German. Many "Novem" families may have had their name changed to "November." Are their Jews with the last name "November?" -Yes.
Also there is one "November" listed with Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 122.
You might want to investigate for yourself Eli James' DNA test results listed on his website.
Hope you and Melissa are well,
In Christ, Steve
my response wrote:Steve,
The records on Zogbots for the name November are the result of an honest search at Ancestry.com with nothing omitted. They are plain and unmolested screen captures of exactly what was found. If you have hard records for people named November coming from Germany, or anything else in addition to what searches of Ancestry.com returned, please send links and we can get them included on that page.
Possible deviations of the same name were not searched, expecially since Eli himself never indicated that such deviations existed. If Eli's name was changed from some such deviation, please help us by supplying the appropriate data.
When I go to http://www.verwandt.de/karten/ and search for most German names, like my own, I get thousands of results. When I search for "November" I get nothing. If there is an explanation for that perhaps you can provide one.
The last I checked, Eli does not have his DNA results on his website. He only has HIS OWN explanation of those results listed. I do not want to see his explanation, HE promised he would publish the actual results, and he has not done so. If this has changed, please send me a link.
I do not doubt your word concerning the name, but please send me hard links or hard documents. I will be happy to get Zogbots to include them, so that they and others can see the matters for themselves.
I can say for myself, since I went and checked out the 23andme website personally, that all of Eli's claims concerning his genealogy just happen to match everything in the 23andme marketing literature.
I can also say for myself, that if 23andme told Eli that he was related to Saint Luke, that means Eli is very likely an arab, since the 23andme literature claims that Saint Luke is related to modern Syrians, and that is how they arrive at their assertions concerning who is or is not related to him! Of course, modern Syrians are arabs and Luke was actually a White Greek, and not an arab by any means.
That is the problem with DNA "science", it ignores history and assumes that historical populations are the same as modern populations. If Eli is related to Luke, Eli must be an arab because 23andme thinks Luke's DNA is like that of modern Syrians who are arabs. Eli really put his foot in his mouth with that one, and is too dumb to realize what he did.
I am not being purposely dishonest. If you have hard data, please provide it and it will be posted with whatever is out there so far. I strive to be both fair and honest, and wish Eli would do the same.
Eli also claims that November is a "stage name". If so, then he committed a felony fraud when he registered a business in that name in the State of Illinois. I won't snitch him out, but I think he is not being forthright.
Please greet Julie for me. I pray that you are both well,
Bill
GermanSaxon wrote:
.... And Eli wasn't even a "November."
I don't think Jesus said you would know them by their names but by their Fruits.
German Saxon
Hunter wrote:MikeTheAdamite wrote:Is it true Hunter that even ANY Adamite can sin?as I thought only those under the law could really sin,those being Israelites.
That surely can be the only way of defining a sinner-an Israelite who brakes the law of God?
I hope Im not over simplifying your point!
And when Christ said 's good tree can only produce good fruit',isn't the fruit a reference to offspring,and not the works that that tree is able to do?
I think Bill indirectly answered your first two questions for the most part in his above responses.
As for your last question, I think you answered yourself correctly. Just keep in mind, even though the Good Tree produces only Good Fruit, as Christ had said, the works of that Good Fruit can still be bad, sometimes.
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