Fish Symbol at Christogenea

[JamesTheJust]

I personally believe that the Zodiac/Constellations do indeed tell the story of YAH's design. In Genesis, HE even states that the stars were created for signs.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth."

And "seasons" can mean different things, referring to the passage of time. "Satan has but a short season".

Luke 21:25
"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

It is very apparent to me that both the constellations and the Pyramid of Giza (which uses the constellations as markers) are YAH's design. Failure to realize this can cause us to miss subtle clues Yahshua left in scripture.

For example: We know that Yahshua taught during the age of the fish (Picses). Fish symbolism is used through his ministry. Fish and loaves, Fish in the net, the fish with the coin in its mouth, etc. And as Bill already pointed out, this symbol was used by early Christians. There must be a reason why YHWH would have such symbolism repeated over and over again. We should PAY ATTENTION!

In Mark 14: 13-15

13 So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him.

14 Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?'

15 He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there."

The jar of water is also the symbol for Aquarius (the age in which we are now)

Furthermore, if we look at how the various tribes of Israel made their encampment during their travels in the wilderness, we see YAH's Zodiac in miniature.

The reason I believe that YHWH cautions use against using the stars, is because we may worship the created rather than the creator.

Deuteronomy 4:19 "beware lest you lift up your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and worship them and serve them, things which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."

I do not believe that is a danger for those of us in CI and we miss a great opportunity by dismissing this aspect out of hand.

The same JEW-deo Christians who will say that discerning the stars is evil, based on a loose and false interpretation of scripture are the same ones who say that trees are just trees. And we know better than that. With that type of discernment, we can all say that the three wise men were practices evil and unlawful acts. Such was not the case.

As far a Brother Hathaway is concerned, I do not subscribe to all of his interpretations, however, there is some useful information on his site. And I cringe at the very thought that we are simply going through a SINE WAVE type of existence, doomed to repeat this hell over and over again.

Finally, Paul states in Romans 10:18 that all men have clear evidence of God from creation itself: "But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for 'Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.'"

Paul was actually quoting from the book of Psalm

Psalm 19:1-4 "The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament proclaims the work of His hands. Day to day utters speech and night to night proclaims knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voices are not heard. 'Their voice has gone out into all the earth and their words to the ends of the world.' In the sun He has set His tabernacle, and He comes forth as a bridegroom out of His chamber.

Paul, IMO was telling the Israelites that the story of YAH's design was told in the stars and that everyone had already heard it. In fact, every Israelite used the stars (even this who had no clue that they were Israelites) to tell the same basic story!

It is clear to me that Paul was referring to the stars and the story they told. YAH is the Alpha and the Omega; the beginning and the end. Both the beginning and the ending of HISstory was determined before the age began.

I have used several sources here:

http://www.biblegateway.com
http://www.divinepageant.com/once_around_the_sky.htm
http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/Pyramid.htm
http://ldolphin.org/zodiac/

[LegionOfSaints]

Noted.

[PILGRIM]

Certainly there is nothing wrong with using the heavens as navigational and calendrical tools. Even in Enoch there are long passages just concerning the placements and movements of the heavenly bodies and their functions in keeping the creation moving in clockwork fashion. If the elders long, long, long ago connected the dots to create images as a mnemomic for teaching purposes and as a communication aid that too has substance and usefulness.

Certainly there is no doubt that the heavens, as well as the earth, exhibit the glory of Yahweh in their magnificence and the study and contemplation of them only enhance our own awe and wonder at His majesty.

But if one is going to place more emphasis on forecasting times and ages of the future through the use of astrology in some attempt to be some sort of modern Magi as Roger Hathaway has then I expect you are likely to come up with the same wrong path he has travelled, ending up with similar wrong conclusions that are contrary to the bible as we have it today and which can be used for nothing more than confusing and leading astray Yahweh's people.

Perhaps there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to think the man carrying the jug of water in Mark 14:13 may somehow be related to us and our supposedly being in an age of Aquarius now but I wonder what value it really may be to us? I would be interested to hear if anyone comes up with any answers of substance that can be adequately documented.

I don't deny that there are many mysteries and truths of Yahweh and our own futures that we do not know. I fully expect that we are not intended to know them at this time. I also expect that to attempt to find them out is not only going to result in failure and wrong conclusions but it is also in clear violation of Yahweh's law. It is not the "JEW-deo christians" who wrote in Deuteronomy:

Deu 18:10-15
(10) There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
(11) Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
(12) For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
(13) Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
(14) For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
(15) The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Yahweh does not use occult works and prognosticators of any kind to speak to His people. We have His word, that is all He seems to want us to have at this point in time.

[wmfinck]

Right, Pilgrim! Great replies. We should steer clear of astrology. And the man with the jug of water, he was probably carrying it because he was thirsty. In the villages of the time, wells were centrally located and shared by all of the residents of the village. There are other occasions where Christ or the apostles met with someone by one of these wells, or coming and going to one of them. The woman in John Chapter 4 is an example. People love to read mysticisms into these events, while ignoring what was actually being recorded.

[DaveJones]

I think the bottom line here is, as we can see throughout history, is not so much the adaptation of pagan symbology by modern day Christians that we are seeing, as it is evidence of the corruption of ancient Biblical symbology and traditions by pagans.

Such vacuous accusations are commonplace among denigrators of the Bible such as David Icke who claim it to be a series of counterfeit representations of older pagan traditions when in fact it is those pagan traditions themselves which are counterfeit of far more ancient and infinitely more supportable ancient Biblical traditions and folklore. A superb example of this is the Mazzaroth which today has become the thoroughly pagan astrological Zodiac replete with it's own concomitant mystical symbology and is yet a direct rip off of our ancient Hebrew tradition.

[Vandal]

Joe, the lion images in your avatar have been used by Zulu chieftains for thousands of years. Are you relating yourself to those Zulu chieftains?

I knew it. Joe is the pusillanimous Zulu Chieftain from Pennsyltucky.

VV

[Vandal]

I can't believe these trolls would object to a fish symbol. "I will make you FISHERS of men.

As for the occult stuff, stay away from it. It is all falsehood. There is not "secret knowledge" of the "adept." It's all calculated to open your mind to deceptive forces.

VV

[matthewott]

Mr. Joe sheds an even darker light on my beautiful Communistwealth of Pennsyltucky. If we all followed Joe's mode of proactivity and objectivity, our race would be extinct right now, and any white men actually left would be effeminate fags!

[Les]

I know I seen it in a movie from the 1950s or 60s, but didn't the church use the fish sign, 2 semi circles-oblong lines, to identify each other when meeeting clandestinely so they would not be murdered by the state? (this was the century after Christ had resurrected and then was no longer seen)