Anatomy of my Split with Eli James

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I am not going to put it on my front page, but here is my basic explanation of the events that caused my rift with Eli, for those of you who are not on my mailer.

http://christogenea.org/anatomy-split

[Vandal]

Those who want to fellowship with the beasts do not understand that those strangers cannot communicate truth with a white man. I was chatting on the radio with some white people about racial issues and a niggro came on and started saying I had a forked tongue, and the monkey started quoting scripture and trying to ask me questions about the bible. I would not answer him. I kept talking to the other people like he did not exist, and finally I told him, he is a devil and has no business reading my people's mail (the bible) and to shut his mouth. I am not going to discuss and debate the truth with a creature that can't grasp the truth. He kept trying to interrupt with "you've got a forked tongue, homie." If I had been face-to-face with him he would have been silenced, I swear.

There seems even a misguided bent in Identity circles to show "graciousness" by "loving on" the various niggroes. People are indoctrinated with this from childhood and it is a deeply imbedded idea, to show your "recognition" of the other races (except the whites, mind you). The mixers of Identity want us all to be "niggrocuddlers." Youze can kkkuddle with 'em, long as ye duzint prignate 'em. That's where this "blessing the stranger" theology leads. It is, as Bill says, DANGEROUS.

On this very same subject of the schism between Bill and niggrokuddler candidate Eli, I got this email about two weeks ago:

Greetings. "Vandal"--
Genesis 27:29 tells us that Isaac said the following to Jacob at the time
of conferring upon him the blessing that
WOULD have been Esau's, had he not sinned:
"Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy
brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that
curseth thee, and BLESSED BE HE THAT BLESSETH THEE."
Those who bless Jacob and his descendants cannot be other Israelites,
because the context of Isaac's words
shows that he is referring to "people" and "nations" who will serve and honor
the nation of Israel.
Do you have any idea what these blessings will be? A few examples of
those who should receive them would be:
1) Millions of Chinese who have adopted Christianity, and have been a
thorn in the side to their communist rulers,
going back to the time of Mao tse-Tung, and up to the present moment. For
example, Chiang-kai-shek, the late leader of the anti-communist forces in China,
had to flee to Taiwan. He was pro-American and pro-Western, and hoped to
re-take the mainland in a full-fledged invasion. (At 64, I am old enough to
remember him.)
2) Black people such as Pastor James Manning and Emmanuel McLittle, who
exhort blacks to stop whining about "oppression" by whites, and to be thankful
for the blessings they have received in America. McLittle told Pete Peters in
an interview that he was thankful that his ancestors had "gotten on those boats"
[slave ships], and that slavery was God's way of rescuing black people from a
"dying culture". He said very directly that he was living a better life in
America than he ever could have lived in Africa, and was thankful to God for
making this possible through slavery.
3) Jews such as Benjamin Freedman, who dedicated the last 35 or more
years of his life (spending his own money) to help Christians understand the
truth about the Khazar origins of most Jews. For this service he was
vilified by most Jews, and has generally been portrayed as having been mentally
ill.
I would think that you are aware of many such examples. I would say
that, although a position of rulership in the
kingdom would be granted only to genuine descendants of Jacob, those who have
served and honored and blessed
the true Israel people cannot be burned with the tares. The God of all the
earth will do right, in all situations.
If you have any comments I would appreciate hearing them.
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There is a lot of confusion about Israel "blessing the other nations" which is a point of contention for pastors who want to "broaden the tent."

Part of my response addresses the fallacies of the above email, which echoes what Bill has been contending with Eli:

You wrote that, "Those who bless Jacob and his descendants cannot be
other Israelites, because the context of Isaac's words shows that he is
referring to "people" and "nations" who will serve and honor the nation
of Israel."

However, when Isaac blessed Jacob, we must keep in mind that Jacob was
not the only white man on earth. In fact, the Israelites were likely the
tiniest minority subgroup of the Caucasian peoples at the time. If
memory serves me correctly, only about 4 million Israelites walked out
of Egypt. There were probably tens of millions under the rule of other
empires who were not Israelites, and many Japethites and Hamites, all of
whom were white. Not all whites are Israelites. Those non-Israelite
whites will be the object of the blessings.

The Assyrians, the Babylonians, far outnumbered Jacob. And they too were
whites. It is these whites that Jacob would bless and that the scripture
referred to. The scripture is not referring to racial foreigners being
blessed, as validated by the incident with Yashua and the Canaanite
woman who pestered him. But, there will be some non-white strangers who
have faith and want to seek Yahweh, and it's not something I can
discourage. They just can't do it with my daughter or at my family's
dinner table.

However, Pastor Peter J. Peters is encouraging congregational fellowship
between whites and those of other races. This is forbidden all
throughout the law and prophets, and even Christ and his Apostles told
everyone to remain racially pure and SEPARATE. Israelites are supposed
to administer a form of law and order to the other nations and races,
not have church with them. This only leads to race-mixing and doctrinal
confusion.

As for the Jews, Yahweh will dispose of them in His time. I don't need
to execute justice when God can do it better.
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We cannot compromise on the race issue. Adam is a race, and any attempt to muddy the water should be exposed for what it is.

I feel moved to add that I am not decided on the accusations back and forth between Bill and Eli as I think all the different statements on both sides require a lot of careful study to sort out. I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and I use the term, niggrokuddler jokingly and I am not using it to accuse someone of promoting "integration." Almost all my dealings with the other races have been like dealing with psychotic little children and anyone bent toward compassion for them is amusing to me. I don't think we should be concerned at all about non-adamites and mollycoddling them could lead to striking hands with them and worse.

It is disconcerting to see the conflict between Bill and Eli, but such is reality.

[JamesTheJust]

Bill,

I am going to miss the great Talkshoe programs. There was so much meat! I hope you will continue your study on Revelation as well as Jeremiah.

YAH Bless.

[Gallowglass]

well... Eli James said you were calling for extermination,and that's not true.Anyway,we cannot care about other races,I don't give a damn about them.We shall see in the end of days,and fruits are out there for all to see -non whites are a burden for us,they hate us and envy us,and will always join forces with the jew,that's how I see it.So,a negro spraying his semen in a supermarket or infecting women with aids knowingly,beating older and weak people and getting caught by police raping a pig and infecting it with VD (last news btw)and many other examples.Is that a ''good creation'' ? I dont think so.
I'm afraid we won't longer see Bill & Eli programs anymore.

[icelander93]

Cattle die, kindred die,
Every man is mortal:
But the good name never dies
Of one who has done well

[themoose]

I apologize for not posting enough. I generally tend to run on a lag with regards to the eli/bill programs as i have a tendency to be listening to archived programs while the new ones are being produced. I have listened to virtually ALL the programs that Bill and Eli have produced and have profited much. They have been a blessing to this Israelite. I, like Greg Howard, have a background in judeo christianity (albeit not as a pastor) and the teachings of Bill and Eli have really helped solidify many doctrines and provided plenty of scriptural ammo to use in my defense against those trying to discredit Identity--which is basically everyone I know.
If this chapter is truely over, then I am saddened to an extent, but excited on the other hand as Yahwah will work it for the good for those that love him. I just listened to a few minutes of Eli's show yesterday to see if anything was being resolved and am truly "miffed" at his attempt to make a message more palatable to the masses. I mean what in hells bells is going on? As I understand the Bible, it is the greatest love story of all time--for Yahwah and HIS people. It is never meant to be pallatable for the masses. As i observe the world today the christian numbers are shrinking (even counting the evangelical/judeo christian as true christians) the numbers are dropping verse the muslim and other religions. This after the billions upon billions of dollars poured into "missions" over the last hundred years. True christianity has never and will never be for the masses, its only for the remnant.
Bill, may Yahwah continue to bless your efforts and a true heartfelt thank you for all the time and effort and the light you have shed upon the scriptures for the last 3 years. Never thought a yankee could be so enlightened.
Press On,
themoose

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Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, of course I will continue! For as long as our Father allows me to. Hope ya'll (yeah, I said it) liked the Revelation 8 & 9 program last night.