Rise of the AfD - German "hard right" political party

[wmfinck]

Can an anti-immigation party really overtake the mainstream politicians in Germany? Maybe, but more likely, maybe not. It is nevertheless interesting to watch. Ultimately the wheat will show forth for the harvest of the tares. But we all ask "when..."

Germany jolted by AfD right-wing poll success
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35806047

Hard-right AfD now 3rd biggest German party
http://www.thelocal.de/20151117/hard-ri ... ys-polling

Whiners doing the usual whining:
Why the German far right’s big electoral win matters
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/14/11223852/german-state-election-2016

German AfD tries to shake off 'Tea Party' tag
http://www.dw.com/en/german-afd-tries-to-shake-off-tea-party-tag/a-17506323

Someone I have not examined yet:
The German Donald Trump
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/articles/2016-03-17/germanys-populist-insurgency-parallels-the-rise-of-donald-trump-in-the-us

[Nayto]

I don't think any nationalist or anti-immigrant party which succeeds is a good thing. If it is there by "official" means then it is there because the jews want them there. It is nothing but controlled opposition which will sooth racist tension in those who might otherwise have been awakened. Economic prosperity and anti-immigration is a bad thing while jews are involved.

There is a party in South Africa called the EFF, or Economic Freedom Fighters. They are a bunch of racist, commumist niggers. I always tell people who ask me to vote that if I vote, I will vote EFF. Why? Because I want my kindred to become so inflamed and disgusted that they fall over into a complete racial mindset.

These lukewarm types are just more of Stormfront. Christ said anyone who was lukewarm would be spat out.

[EzraLB]

Someone I have not examined yet: The German Donald Trump
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/articles/2016-03-17/germanys-populist-insurgency-parallels-the-rise-of-donald-trump-in-the-us

Of course the "German Donald Trump" is a contradiction in terms--Frauke Petry (nee Marquardt) is a radical liberal on many social issues but a supposed "conservative" when it comes to business. She is married to a "Christian" pastor, yet at the same time is engaged in a "domestic partnership" with another "right-wing" MEP, Marcus Pretzell.

That two of the major players in the new German Alt-Right are women does not bode well for their future. Female politicians are "consensus" seekers, which means that they are ready and willing to compromise and give the devil his due. If the jews were not behind this "movement," it never would have gotten off the ground in Germany, as its mere existence has already been challenged legally. Its leaders will be censored and/or thrown in jail for "racial incitement" the minute the jews feel that the party is getting too much traction.

As the weather improves and is more appealing to the Third World invaders, we will see how the different Europeans nations respond to this year's massive wave of invaders. Petry has advoated that German police should be granted the right to shoot any invader illegally stepping onto German soil, but that could be just political rhetoric to set up the ultimate compromise that she has in mind: unabated but "controlled" immigration.

[wmfinck]

Of course, I know there are no political solutions. And I did a podcast which rather emphatically stated that position in relation to the ongoing presidential campaign here in America just a few weeks ago.

Most people, when they begin to awaken to the problems besetting the White nations, look to political solutions immediately. They do not even have a concept of what is controlled opposition, or even superficial opposition, because they are too engaged within the system. They are still joined to the beast. It is a long road for most, to get to the understanding of the real source of the problem, and many go into denial along the way so they never complete the journey.

But watching two things with each election is, I think, quite informative. How many voters are willing to vote for and even actively campaign for supposedly right-wing "alternative" (alt-right is the buzzword, I guess) candidates is a measure of disaffection with the major parties. How many voting-age adults do not vote at all is a measure of general alienation from the system.

So when people flock to a Donald Trump or an AfD (Alternative for Deutschland), it shows that they are at least looking for an alternative and that they are willing to be activists for the cause.

We know that they are directing their energies towards a lost cause. But those are the people we should be trying to reach with the truth - that there is no political solution and that they will indeed be sold out by those politicians that they are led to believe will somehow "fix things".

[Adolf Hitler understood the failures of parliamentary democracy, explained them in Mein Kampf, and told the world ahead of time that he would change the system as soon as he got into power. He kept his word.]

There has been a cycle in America these last 30 years, of alternative presidential candidates that people rally behind only to be disappointed. Donald Trump is not as polished and a little more radical in some of his language than Ron Paul, but he is really not much different. But the real precursor to Donald Trump is Ross Perot. In many ways, Trump is like a Ross Perot rerun. Perot was also a radical [for his time] billionaire outsider.

But most Trump supporters are probably too young to remember Ross Perot, so they think this trick is something new.

As I said in the recent podcast, if a Trump did get in, he would either be 1) disappointing, 2) assassinated, or 3) cause a real big war. I would bet on #1, because we do know that anyone who manages even to get the nomination cannot be his own man. In the unlikely event that #3 happened, well, perhaps that is the alternative we have been awaiting, but only Yahweh knows.

If the AfD got in, the possible outcomes would be no different. As I also said in a recent podcast, Babylon is not going to fall at the voting booth.

[Kentucky]

Most people, when they begin to awaken to the problems besetting the White nations, look to political solutions immediately. They do not even have a concept of what is controlled opposition, or even superficial opposition, because they are too engaged within the system. They are still joined to the beast. It is a long road for most, to get to the understanding of the real source of the problem, and many go into denial along the way so they never complete the journey.

With so many so called Christians you would think that the solutions would be readily apprehended per Scripture, but that would require reading, rather than taking the word of man, the pulpit pounders. The real source of our problems is sin and nobody is stepping up to the plate admitting that they are a sinner in need of forgiveness. And yet the blood of Christ is so easy to acknowledge and accept. The last thing politicians want to address is a spiritual problem. And we suffer for it. Just once, I would like to hear a politician call for a national repentance, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Perhaps we are at fault for not warning the wicked. This election year, everything seems to be revolving around Trump. Trump says he's a Christian, a Presbyterian. I think he probably has a superficial understanding of God's Word. But, what have responsible Christians done to rectify this man's journey as you put it? The judeo's themselves are void of dutiful shepherd's. But, Christian Identity has the key to many of our problems and should not be hidden. “No one lighting a lamp sets it in a vault or under a bushel, but upon a lampstand in order that those entering in would see the light" Luke 11:33. Therefore, I have decided to write a letter to Trump according to Ezekiel 3:17-21. At first I thought my letter would be private, but then decided for it to be an open letter. I don't know if he'll ever get it or read it, but as God's servants we will have fulfilled our duty to put him on notice. I think I will start a new thread for the brethren to share their thoughts as to what should be said; a team effort if you will. Nobody else in Christian Identity has thought of doing this until now. Maybe because they think the idea is without merit. There is no political resolve to our problems, because the government of Christ trumps all others (sorry, I couldn't resist).

A lot of people can be swept up in the moment of a movement moving by jumping on the bandwagon. We should take advantage of such opportunities when White people are awakened from their slumber. They don't deserve David Duke pontificating his secular political spin. Our community needs to grab this election by the horns and proclaim the Good News. We should all be in an Elijah mode to minister the turning of of our father's hearts to their children and the children's hearts to their fathers.

We know that they are directing their energies towards a lost cause. But those are the people we should be trying to reach with the truth - that there is no political solution and that they will indeed be sold out by those politicians that they are led to believe will somehow "fix things".

Precisely. With all that energy, it should be redirected to Christ. Christ will never forsake His people.

As I said in the recent podcast, if a Trump did get in, he would either be 1) disappointing, 2) assassinated, or 3) cause a real big war. I would bet on #1, because we do know that anyone who manages even to get the nomination cannot be his own man. In the unlikely event that #3 happened, well, perhaps that is the alternative we have been awaiting, but only Yahweh knows.

If Trump were persuaded by Christian Identity, then you would have a real war for sure. I know it's a long shot, but I still believe in miracles and that God can grab anybody by the collar and give them a real smackdown on the road to Damascus.

Babylon is not going to fall at the voting booth.

Right, Babylon is going fall by the fulfillment of prophecy and the promises of God given to Israel. Our faith and hope is that we will be delivered from the antichrist jew, but it's on God's itinery, not ours. His mercy endureth even for Trump to get right before the Day of the Lord.

Mark

[Nayto]

Of course, I know there are no political solutions. And I did a podcast which rather emphatically stated that position in relation to the ongoing presidential campaign here in America just a few weeks ago.

Sorry Bill, I didn't mean to imply you were touting political solutions. Just said my piece in general.

But watching two things with each election is, I think, quite informative... So when people flock to a Donald Trump or an AfD (Alternative for Deutschland), it shows that they are at least looking for an alternative and that they are willing to be activists for the cause.

Agreed. We've discussed a few times on the forum that it is those who want to believe who are the most receptive. If only we had some dynamic way of reaching those people. Something to think about in the context of the internet. You do an excellent job here, so maybe it is for others to take up the mantle, lol.

[wmfinck]

Oh, and I forgot to add Pat Buchanan, who was also a great White hope for awhile in the 1990's, in 1992 and 1996.

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Resident for two years in Alsace, bordering Germany I know activists AFD , they are against immigration is hostile to Islam , but they are against National Socialism and against the " racist movements " the leader of their group in the European parliament is mestizo

[Joe]

Remember when Frauke said this:

Frauke Petry, said desperate measures were needed to tackle the problem.

"I don't want this either. But the use of armed force is there as a last resort," said Ms Petry, head of the Eurosceptic Alternativ für Deutschland

And this

Frauke Petry, 40, principal speaker for Alternative für Deutschland - Alternative for Germany - said in an interview that a police officer must 'make use of his firearm' to stop illegal border crossings.

And we were thinking that it was simple common sense, while the media framed it as 'extreme'.
Well now Fraude has toned-it down, phew.

She went on to accuse Merkel of angering German residents by opening the country’s borders to anyone who wanted to come, and “not distinguishing between real refugees and migrants…

Yeah, we have to distinguish between 'real refugees' and migrants. We need quick processes to determine who can stay so that 'asylum seekers' are not kept in limbo.

Petry stressed the need for “quick processes” to decide whether new arrivals can stay in Germany, adding that the current system leaves asylum seekers in limbo.

“We have a huge problem because hundreds of thousands of persons inside Germany, within the asylum process [are left] not knowing whether they will be allowed to stay or whether they will have to be sent back home,” she said.

It is kind-of like when Trump says he is a big second amendment person, and then, out the other side of his mouth, calls for stricter controls.

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