Can a Zionist be Christian?

[Zenas]

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Some while ago, a fellow I met who called himself a Christian, [he even taught at the local church, not that that matters anymore these days,] and I had a falling out after I told him what I thought about his supporting the Zionists.

Since then, I've wondered: can a person who supports Zionism and Israeli Zionists, be a Christian?

John tells us:

22 Who is a liar, if not he denying that Yahshua is the Christ? He is the Antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son! 23 Each denying the Son has not the Father either; he being in agreement with the Son also has the Father. I John 2

The so-called jews deny the Son. These impostors are committing genocide against the Palestinians. That false teacher Hagee supports Israel unconditionally, duping otherwise good people out of millions of dollars a year to send to these murderers and psychopaths. Hagee is, w/o doubt, not a Christian.

How can someone who supports Zionism, be a Christian?

Better, can someone who supports Zionism, be a Christian?

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[matthewott]

First of all, the #1 pre-requisite to being a Christian is pure Adamic heritage. The second is acknowledgement of the Truth of the Word, not acknowledgement of man's doctrine. Only then will the Holy Spirit take up residence, which is the third pre-requisite to being a Christian. The only part Zionism plays in the life of a true Christian is that of disdain.

Yah Bless,
Matt

[PILGRIM]

I think this is even more of the programming that we must face and cast off. There are millions presently on the planet who use the term "christian" to refer to themselves or the organizations they have chosen to be a part of. If you look at what it takes to be a "Christian" then, IMHO, the vast, VAST majority of those using the name today do not qualify to do so. I think that there is only a tiny number of people today who can honestly ascribe the term "Christian" to themselves. And, certainly, anyone claiming to be some kind of "christian" zionist is not in the camp of the eligible.

[JamesTheJust]

As far as I'm concerned, there are no Zionist "Christians". There are white traitors and traitors to our Christ. JEW-deo [Anti]"Chrisitans" are a house divided against itself. Their house will fall and I will cheer when it happens. They are lovers of Christ killers. They stake their ENTIRE belief system on "what's good for the jews". They disgust me.

I will try to talk and reason with them, but if they will not listen, I will wash my hands of them.

[Zenas]

First of all, the #1 pre-requisite to being a Christian is pure Adamic heritage. The second is acknowledgement of the Truth of the Word, not acknowledgement of man's doctrine. Only then will the Holy Spirit take up residence, which is the third pre-requisite to being a Christian.

Yes, he's most likely Adamic.

Not sure on the second point. He would probably say "Yes, he believes Bible to be the Word of God." But then again, he was intent on working 50-60 hours a week to put away for his future, despite my pointing out those passages that God promises to take care of His own, no matter what our age or our circumstances.
Further, he married an Asian woman, refused to discuss his past, and other issues.

The more I think about the entire episode, the more I am led to believe he is merely a Christian in name, so as to gain what he can from his Christian associates.

But, what I am looking for, are particular passages that would preclude a Zionist from being one of God's elect.

[matthewott]

"Acknowledging the Truth of the Word"

No, it is not simply acknowledging that the Bible is the Word of God. "The Truth of the Word" is, in essence, the understanding of scripture; it's language history, archaeological history, cultural history, etc. With that understanding, one arrives at Two Seedline Christian/Jacob Israel Identity. The entire Bible is the verse that is to be quoted to prove "zionists" CAN'T be Christians. No single verse can be quoted to substantiate it because any joodaeao-xtian will pull out another verse to refute it based on their jooish indoctrinated view of scriptures. Any true Christian knows the joos are our enemies, and therefore zionism is our enemy! This was initiated by Yahweh himself at Gen. 3:15! There is your verse, but your modern day xtian will not recognize the context in which the verse is written.

2SL CI is the ONLY true Christian Orthodoxy which applies factual substantiation of scripture at EVERY level. Any Adamite who refuses to view the COMPLETE legitimacy of 2SL CI does not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore NOT a true Christian. No 2SL CI adherent would EVER claim to support zionism in any way shape or form. That is the fundamental theme of the Bible and our existence as Christians...That we white people are the Only race of humans purely decended from Yahweh, (Adamites/Israelites) the seedline to which the promises were given, and that the joos (Cainites [Kenites], Canaanites, Edomites, et al.) are decendants of satan, who have managed to infect the DNA of the majority of the world's population, especially the whites!!! Zionism is the antithesis of Christianity...but that is not what this joodaized world is fooled into believing!

[Zenas]

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yes, matthew, not looking for the silver bullet:

what I am looking for, are particular passages

And I understand the entire context of history, Biblical background, original languages, etc, are needed to come to a logical conclusion as to CI and it being the proper, and only, perspective that allows for the entire world picture to be assembled for one to comprehend the scope of the verse that says:

"We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Most people - myself included - like blind men, are merely touching the elephant's foot and know nothing of his trunk.
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Now that I think of this, whenever others defend their universalist position, they almost always only refer to one or two, and, on the rare occcasion, three or four, single verses, rather than tell me, "Hey, to explain my position adequately, it would take a few hours. Do you have time for a cup of coffee, my treat, while I try to explain my paradigm?"

[matthewott]

Amen, Zenas. Forgive me if I seemed like I was talking to someone NOT familiar with CI. Your final thought summed up my point :

Now that I think of this, whenever others defend their universalist position, they almost always only refer to one or two, and, on the rare occcasion, three or four, single verses, rather than tell me, "Hey, to explain my position adequately, it would take a few hours. Do you have time for a cup of coffee, my treat, while I try to explain my paradigm?"

So I guess I'm saying there are no particular verses to be plucked out of scripture to convince a joodaeao-xtian that Zionism and Christianity are like oil and water. If you find one actually willing to take the time to discuss it over coffee, you're at least headed in the right direction.

Yah Bless,
Matt

[Zenas]

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As I increase in age, I attempt to convince less, and shake dust more. Matthew 10:14

[matthewott]

As we increase in age, we become more expedient in our determinations of our kinfolk, or who we outwardly perceive as our kinfolk. We become more mature about "picking our fights". We also know that every day that passes in these end times, more and more evidence of the Truth is uncovered, leaving no room for the excuse of ignorance, which is one head of a two-headed monster we fight every day...IGNORANCE AND HYPOCRICY.