I need a bath....

[Kentucky]

God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" II Thes. 2:10-11.

Mark

[Staropramen]

God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" II Thes. 2:10-11.

Mark

Mark,
Are you saying that the sending of strong delusion by God includes the "calling" of false teachers for said delusion? In recent times I've generally thought of that verse as meaning God turning over unrepentant Israelites to the jewish world system that they so desperately want to embrace. Of course in this scenario some will imagine themselves preachers and teachers of the Gospels. But is Yahweh specifically calling these individuals to do this? Or is it rather a general mess of things and the resulting, individual imaginations at work?

[SwordBrethren]

God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" II Thes. 2:10-11.

Mark

Right, indeed, and He shall pick their lies/delusions.

But that doesn't mean they have a defense. On judgement day they cannot say to God, "you made us preach lies and delusions!"


He sent them delusions that they should believe a lie, but He never made them preach the lie and call it truth.

[Kentucky]

God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" II Thes. 2:10-11.

Mark

Right, indeed, and He shall pick their lies/delusions.

But that doesn't mean they have a defense. On judgement day they cannot say to God, "you made us preach lies and delusions!"


He sent them delusions that they should believe a lie, but He never made them preach the lie and call it truth.

Right, it's all cause and effect. And then you have mass delusion calling good evil and evil good. “Take away the heritage of a people, and they are easily persuaded" - Karl Marx.

Mark

[Kentucky]

God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" II Thes. 2:10-11.

Mark

Mark,
Are you saying that the sending of strong delusion by God includes the "calling" of false teachers for said delusion? In recent times I've generally thought of that verse as meaning God turning over unrepentant Israelites to the jewish world system that they so desperately want to embrace. Of course in this scenario some will imagine themselves preachers and teachers of the Gospels. But is Yahweh specifically calling these individuals to do this? Or is it rather a general mess of things and the resulting, individual imaginations at work?

'All things work together for good' to who? I've never thought of a divine calling conversely. False teachers are more like weeds that pop up in a garden.

Mark

Mark

[ElleJay]

For me Reformation was a step above Catholicism but it is still a world away from CI, although it was a useful and helpful stepping stone on the way to CI.

I agree ... I have said for a long time that the Reformed Church never quite made it all the way out of Catholicism. I see it in their writings. It is a world away ... but the terminology is there. Many of their definitions are wrong.

I was at a lecture recently that had a Q&A attached to it. The question came up regarding Martin Luther and his writing about the Jews. The answer was very good ... citing the Jewish behavior. I kept wanting the answer to go a little further, but I was surprised it was acknowledged and known about by the person who gave the answer.

My background in brief ... I was "raised" in churches that were more Southern Baptist in theology. Moving to Reformed was a major move ... but what persuaded me was a book by R.C. Sproul, called Chosen By God. When it came to the discussion in the area of humanism ... I knew I was not one. (I am not sure what I would "see" if I re-read the book now.) However, there were holes in the Reformed doctrine ... more questions that were not answered. There was a point in my life where I stopped reading and listening to all these other voices of "christianity," and sat down and read my Bible and my Bible alone ... for at least a year. I still have questions, but CI had the by far the best answers, and the Bible came alive for me in a way I never expected. I still pray when I read that the Holy Spirit would guide me into all truth. I never expect to know it all, but how grateful I am that Yahweh's book is the living Word!!!

Elle

[ElleJay]

I would ask them why the sinner is in hell as opposed to just the sin.


When the rich man was being tormented in hell, why was he himself in hell? Why not just his pride, his arrogance, his selfishness? Why didn't God just send the sin to hell and spare the sinner?

These are EXCELLENT points. I know the passage about the rich man man being tormented. I do not know why I never thought of putting it like that.

That is why universalism is a growing issue within churchianity (aside from CI) I think ... because if God loves the person and not the sin, then all should go to heaven.

Elle

[Staropramen]

Yesterday she went to say goodbye to a vermin kike and his British wife who are leaving the US to go back to England. They've been affiliated with this voodoo church that my wife attends for a couple of years.

Yahweh punished them for their evil deeds here. My wife got an e-mail from them. They've been renting their house to 3 niggers for the last three years while they were here. Well, it was actually 10 niggers. One is now a fugitive so the police keep coming around. Other niggers keep showing up thinking the previous niggers still live there. The house has had extensive damage done to it and it now has a rodent problem.

[Staropramen]

Well, it looks like my wife has finally found a Pastor that is up to the challenge of debating me. Should be interesting.

[Nayto]

Well, it looks like my wife has finally found a Pastor that is up to the challenge of debating me. Should be interesting.

Great! Keep us posted