I need a bath....

[Acrimonious]

She had nothing positive to say about the rat hole when we were having lunch. Coupled with the Scriptures that you and I mentioned that specifically denounced those outposts of Babylon, I don't understand why she still attends!

[Staropramen]

She had nothing positive to say about the rat hole when we were having lunch. Coupled with the Scriptures that you and I mentioned that specifically denounced those outposts of Babylon, I don't understand why she still attends!

She often says "I go for God, not for them".

[Nayto]

She had nothing positive to say about the rat hole when we were having lunch. Coupled with the Scriptures that you and I mentioned that specifically denounced those outposts of Babylon, I don't understand why she still attends!

She often says "I go for God, not for them".

That's incredibly ironic, because we go to gatherings to fellowship with our kindred. We don't need to go to "church" to find God.

[ElleJay]

I walk in your shoes ... except I am a wife, with a husband who is in a denominational church, albeit, better than most because of the Reformation bent. That generally means, fewer non-whites in attendance and an understanding that God has an elect people. Of course, who they believe is elect is the problem. My husband has been known to comment when we have been out and about looking for a new church ... "I am afraid to take you, because I do not know when you are going to walk out." (I have walked out of a handful ... but one had a Muslim observance section set aside ... and I wondered aloud to some there how light fellowships with darkness. That same church had a song that I questioned about the "Words in Red," regarding the "importance" of what Christ said in the New Testament versus the entire Bible.)

For me, a starting point in discussion is not the race issue. Many in the churches today are biblically illiterate because they believe what they think and feel about the Bible is on equal footing with the Bible. Their answers to questions, even when diametrically opposed to what the Scripture says, is just as valid. Most pastors simply regurgitate what they have read by others ... not what the infallible Word of God says. Songs have become chants ... and our Yahweh God is only love ... and hates the sin but not the sinner. (I have yet to find the latter in my Bible.)

My circumstances have kept me out of the visible church for the most part for many years (although I often rub elbows with churchianity), but pressure is coming to bear (or is it "bare?") for me to relent ... and begin attending ... regularly. Because I am a wife, and this particular segment of the Reformed church by and large puts a heavy emphasis on my submission to my husband, I am unsure exactly what I should do. (My husband's view is that I am to be in subjection to him ... which has a different connotation to it than submission.) Also, in the circles that are closest to me, a woman can only learn what the Scripture means from her husband (a broader interpretation of a woman is to keep silent in the church. Yes, my husband has said that to me as well.) I have been called a heretic by my husband ... and others think I am involved in a false religion and/or a cult. Some just say I hold to some weird beliefs ... but as long as I believe in the "gospel" message, I am alright (meaning why Jesus came to earth, died, was buried, and rose again.)

In trying to rectify a difficult situation with what the scripture truly teaches, my desire is to be in submission to my husband. I feel as though I am in murky waters, and am trying to figure out exactly what that means. Many times I am absolutely disgusted by what I hear in churches ... and I cannot help but mumble beneath my breath what the Scriptures actually says. I feel protective of what God has written in a sense ... and to hear it misquoted and/or misrepresented is offensive. I squirm in my seat or write out notes furiously as an outlet. So, how does a woman be submissive to her husband in this arena ... and not offend God?

Anyway ... I did not intend to be quite so transparent when I began writing a reply to what you had written, but I identified so much with what you said. I could even "feel" the bile building up in my throat from your description.

Elle Jay

[Staropramen]

Elle Jay,
My understanding is that a woman is only supposed to be in submission to her husband when her husband is in submission to Yahweh. If a husband is believing that jews and niggers can become God's children by some mental gymnastics and he is trying to force his wife to have fellowship with animals I do not believe that the wife has any obligation to go along with such traitorous activities. Every white person has the right to read the bible, study it and formulate their own opinions regardless of sex.

[Nayto]

Elle Jay,
My understanding is that a woman is only supposed to be in submission to her husband when her husband is in submission to Yahweh. If a husband is believing that jews and niggers can become God's children by some mental gymnastics and he is trying to force his wife to have fellowship with animals I do not believe that the wife has any obligation to go along with such traitorous activities. Every white person has the right to read the bible, study it and formulate their own opinions regardless of sex.

I agree completely.

[SwordBrethren]

The new "pastor" is a former Wall Street drug addict. It's evident that the lying and dishonesty cultivated while being a junkie and whore for the kike money lenders can be put to effective use in the judeochristian arena. Hence the prioritization of outreaches to niggers over serious, sober-minded White people.

There are only so many seats around the ZOG/banker table.


Some salesmen go to Wall-street and become big, others stay in small towns and open used car dealerships and remain small. Some go into religion and wind up with a mega-church and tens of millions of dollars, others stay in small towns and remain small.


I don't believe that the mainstream Judeo-Churchianity types actually feel a calling to preach. God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

If they are being called it is by Satan or by their own imagination.

[SwordBrethren]

I walk in your shoes ... except I am a wife, with a husband who is in a denominational church, albeit, better than most because of the Reformation bent. That generally means, fewer non-whites in attendance and an understanding that God has an elect people. Of course, who they believe is elect is the problem. My husband has been known to comment when we have been out and about looking for a new church ... "I am afraid to take you, because I do not know when you are going to walk out." (I have walked out of a handful ... but one had a Muslim observance section set aside ... and I wondered aloud to some there how light fellowships with darkness. That same church had a song that I questioned about the "Words in Red," regarding the "importance" of what Christ said in the New Testament versus the entire Bible.)

For me, a starting point in discussion is not the race issue. Many in the churches today are biblically illiterate because they believe what they think and feel about the Bible is on equal footing with the Bible. Their answers to questions, even when diametrically opposed to what the Scripture says, is just as valid. Most pastors simply regurgitate what they have read by others ... not what the infallible Word of God says. Songs have become chants ... and our Yahweh God is only love ... and hates the sin but not the sinner. (I have yet to find the latter in my Bible.)

My circumstances have kept me out of the visible church for the most part for many years (although I often rub elbows with churchianity), but pressure is coming to bear (or is it "bare?") for me to relent ... and begin attending ... regularly. Because I am a wife, and this particular segment of the Reformed church by and large puts a heavy emphasis on my submission to my husband, I am unsure exactly what I should do. (My husband's view is that I am to be in subjection to him ... which has a different connotation to it than submission.) Also, in the circles that are closest to me, a woman can only learn what the Scripture means from her husband (a broader interpretation of a woman is to keep silent in the church. Yes, my husband has said that to me as well.) I have been called a heretic by my husband ... and others think I am involved in a false religion and/or a cult. Some just say I hold to some weird beliefs ... but as long as I believe in the "gospel" message, I am alright (meaning why Jesus came to earth, died, was buried, and rose again.)

In trying to rectify a difficult situation with what the scripture truly teaches, my desire is to be in submission to my husband. I feel as though I am in murky waters, and am trying to figure out exactly what that means. Many times I am absolutely disgusted by what I hear in churches ... and I cannot help but mumble beneath my breath what the Scriptures actually says. I feel protective of what God has written in a sense ... and to hear it misquoted and/or misrepresented is offensive. I squirm in my seat or write out notes furiously as an outlet. So, how does a woman be submissive to her husband in this arena ... and not offend God?

Anyway ... I did not intend to be quite so transparent when I began writing a reply to what you had written, but I identified so much with what you said. I could even "feel" the bile building up in my throat from your description.

Elle Jay

I was heavily into Reformation/Calvinist theology from 2004 until 2006 when I had a sudden realization of the nature of the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

For me Reformation was a step above Catholicism but it is still a world away from CI, although it was a useful and helpful stepping stone on the way to CI.

[SwordBrethren]

For me, a starting point in discussion is not the race issue. Many in the churches today are biblically illiterate because they believe what they think and feel about the Bible is on equal footing with the Bible. Their answers to questions, even when diametrically opposed to what the Scripture says, is just as valid. Most pastors simply regurgitate what they have read by others ... not what the infallible Word of God says. Songs have become chants ... and our Yahweh God is only love ... and hates the sin but not the sinner. (I have yet to find the latter in my Bible.)

I would ask them why the sinner is in hell as opposed to just the sin.


When the rich man was being tormented in hell, why was he himself in hell? Why not just his pride, his arrogance, his selfishness? Why didn't God just send the sin to hell and spare the sinner?

[Staropramen]

I don't believe that the mainstream Judeo-Churchianity types actually feel a calling to preach. God wouldn't put out a calling for people to preach lies and delusions.

If they are being called it is by Satan or by their own imagination.

True. But it should also be noted that even though the calling of liars doesn't come from God, the punishment does. Recently my wife spotted the former "pastor", the FBI agent standing in front of the church. Overweight and disheveled in an undershirt with his belly hanging out, he was leaning against the church gates in some sort of a trance. Like Nebuchadnezzar he may soon be eating grass as well.