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The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby EzraLB » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:00 am

In researching a possible connection between the British-Israel movement and the Rothschilds, I came across an obscure booklet, "Are The Jews A Menace To Civilization?" written by the jew, Henry Segal, in 1934, during the rise of National Socialism:

https://ia802607.us.archive.org/15/item ... d/AJMC.pdf

It contains the usual jewish blather and whining about being marginalized and oppressed, but it also delves into the subject of the authenticity of "The Protocols Of Zion," which it attempts to, of course, cast doubt upon. However, in trying to refute the Protocols, Segal may have inadvertently opened up a can of worms which may reveal that the author(s) of "The Protocols" were aware of the rise of the British-Israel movement. Segal writes,

"It is worthy to note, too, that a passage which appeared in the original Russian edition of the Protocols, and which identified the English people as part of the Jewish race, and represented the British Government as being in league with the Jews in the conspiracy to conquer the world has been significantly omitted from every English and American translation. Had that passage appeared in the English speaking world, it would have provoked a smile, in whose light nothing else could have been taken seriously. No thoughtful person would have been impressed with the claim that the Angles, the Jutes, the Saxons, the Danes, the Normans and the others that now make up the English people are really Jews in disguise, or that England is at all interested in ruining herself by destroying the civilization of the world." pp. 7-8

Did the original Russian edition claim that the English people were part of the "jewish race" or did it make mention of the fact that the English people were among the true descendants of the Israelites? At the time of the appearance of the Protocols, many "thoughtful persons" in England and America did, in fact, start to believe that the White Europeans were true Israel.

Interestingly, on August 27, 1911 an article appeared in The New York Times, entitled, "The Ritual Murder Libel Encouraged By Russian Court," written by Hippolytus Lutostansky, a Russian Catholic priest--and anti-semite, whose work, the jews claim, contributed to the Protocols. In The Times article, he wrote:

"The English people are the lost tribes of Israel. The lion of Judah became the emblem of England and the harp of David is to this day the emblem of Ireland. But not only are the English Kings direct descendants of the Jewish Kings, they even sit on the throne of David, on which all Jewish Kings used to be crowned. The throne is made of the rock on which Jacob slept when he dreamed of the ladder and when God promised him a kingdom. That rock was brought by the prophet Jeremiah to Ireland, whence It was removed first to Scotland and then to London. [...] The English people in many ways resemble the Jews. Their type is the same, their manner of speech the same, and; above all, the fundamental trait of both nations is trading. Then, the great respect of the English people tor the Bible betrays their kinship to the ancient Israelites."

When the Protocols were first published in England, I believe it was printed by the Briton Publishing Society, which was under the aegis of "The Crown," aka The Rothschilds. Segal claims that the removal of this British-Israel connection is proof that the Protocols are a forgery; however, I would argue that it was the jews at the Briton Publishing Society who removed that passage for obvious reasons.

And this begs the question: Were the Rothschilds involved in any direct, provable manner with the British-Israel movement?

A book cited as an authoritative source on "Israelites" in the early British-Israel movement was, "The History and Literature of the Israelites : According to the Old Testament and the Apocrypha," by Constance and Annie de Rothschild in London in 1870.

http://archive.org/stream/historyandlit ... g_djvu.txt

While the Rothschild book does not promote the British-Israel doctrine, it does seem to have been a "reliable" source of who the original Israelites were--a potential source of leaven into the B-I movement.

For example, concerning the story of Jacob and Esau, Rothschild contends that Esau eventually rectified the sin of taking strange wives among the Canaanites by marrying his third wife, Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael, the son of Abraham, as stated in Genesis 28:9. Therefore, Rothschild seems to suggest that the descendants of this marriage, the Edomites who moved into Idumea, were entitled to the promises of Abraham. There is your leaven.

Either way, it would be interesting to confirm whether or not Segal's contention is true: that the original Russian edition made mention of the allegation that the British Crown was, in fact, "jewish".
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby wmfinck » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:10 am

Clifton and I are both persuaded that Edward Hine was one turning point in British Israel. He preached the lies that Jews=Judah, and Germans=Assyria and other such hogwash. I do not know if anyone was poisoning the well before him, but he certainly did poison the well.
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby EzraLB » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:29 am

wmfinck wrote:Clifton and I are both persuaded that Edward Hine was one turning point in British Israel. He preached the lies that Jews=Judah, and Germans=Assyria and other such hogwash. I do not know if anyone was poisoning the well before him, but he certainly did poison the well.


Edward Hine was a prominent figure in the British-Israel movement, but his ideas were hardly original. His work drew heavily on the much earlier work of John Wilson, who wrote the seminal work, Our Israelitish Origins in the early 1840s. It was as a young 15 year old that Edward Hine first heard Wilson lecture on the subject, but it wouldn't be until 30 years later that Hine himself would take up the cause.

For anyone interested in the early roots of British-Israel, I would highly recommend John Wilson's Our Israelitish Origins, if nothing more than to see the progression of the Jews=Judah ideology:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F6S ... &q&f=false

While Wilson was certainly correct about the connection between the British people and the ancient Israelites, he was also handicapped by his Judeo bias about the identity of the jews--and what their proper place was/is in the grand scheme of Israel Identity.

Interestingly, at first glance Wilson seems to avoid the mention of the word "jew", but you will find the term in his Index. When you look up the reference, it is then you'll find that he's actually talking about "Judah", conflating the two terms, which at first can be a little confusing.

Wilson does, though, acknowledge that a sizeable part of original Judah (or jews) did become mongrelized arabs:

"Let them remember that many--very many of the Jews, who were dispersed in the east at the time of the Babylonish captivity, became mingled among the nations, and their descendants are not now known as being Jews. They may have much tended to originate, or, at least, to improve some of those tribes that border upon India and Persia; and that are said considerably to resemble Jews. These are generally Mahometans: and many of the Jews in other parts also embraced the religion of Mahomet; neither are their descendants now known to be Jews." (p. 57)

Wilson believes that there was an "elite" among Judah that wasn't as mongrelized as this other part, and it was this priestly class from which we get Christ and many of the jews of today:

"A much more pleasing dispersion of them, in the apostolic age, took place, when multitudes of even the priests were obedient to the faith. The whole original stock of the Christian Church in all parts of the world, was Jewish." (p. 57-58)

So while claiming that Christ himself came from a mongrelized bloodline--mixed with the daughters of Moab and the Canaanites--Wilson also claims that the Israelites were also mongrelized by mingling among the "Gentiles" or "Nations":

"But if God will deal thus kindly with the Jews, who are thus so unequivocally one with the children of the curse; it may be expected that He will deal at least equally, according to promise, with that other house, which comprehends the body of the people, so as to be called all israel; and which, however mingled among the Gentiles, cannot be worse mingled than the Jews are--about whose case, as the subject of prophecy, so little doubt has been generally entertained." (p. 59)

John Wilson also seems to have been an early Zionist who believed that the jews must first be reunited with the tribe of Ephraim, presumably represented by the British people, prior to their return to their homeland:

"Judah and his brethren were to be preserved alive in the midst of famine; but this was to be accomplished by their unknown brother, Joseph, who had been sent before them, and given a headship over the heathen. Judah seems to be given no home but that of his fathers; whilst blessings unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills, are promised to come 'upon the head of Joseph, upon the crown of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.' Their cities, it seems, are to be spread abroad; they are to be such an innumerable multitude, that, although the land of Israel will be their common centre, they will, at the same time, be possessors of sea and land, unto the ends of the earth. But then, indeed, Israel and Judah shall have become one. They shall be one nation, upon the mountains of Israel, for ever." (pp.53-54)

Wilson denies that there is an unmixed remnant of Israel, and in order to reconcile this contradiction, he embraces the unsound Judeo doctrine that there is both a literal and spiritual aspect of Israel (p. 63). Yet at the same time, Wilson excludes the Germanic peoples specifically--far earlier than Edward Hine:

"The Anti-Christian dominion is described; and which synchronizes with the feet of iron and clay--the Germanic empire." (p. 66)

We can still see the influence of Our Israelitish Origins in certain strains of Christian Identity to this very day, but we also see its influence in the Christian Zionist movement starting in the late 19th century. And it should come as no surprise that Christian Zionism owes some of its foundational false doctrine to the British-Israel movement.
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby wmfinck » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:18 pm

Wow, thanks for this information, EzraLB, I have just passed it on to Clifton.

I have never read Wilson, never looking back after reading a few dozen CI tracts and getting on with my own studies. But wow, nobody has ever actually critiqued Wilson, so far as I know, and I had never read a criticism of him. Clifton has, however made several criticisms of Hine, and that is all I know of him.
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby EzraLB » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:39 am

wmfinck wrote:Clifton has, however made several criticisms of Hine, and that is all I know of him.


Ironically, despite Clifton's obvious criticisms of Hine's work, Wikipedia nevertheless claims that Hines was highly influential in the formation of Clifton's "antisemitic" world view:

"Hine's ideas thus influenced the nascent Anglo-Israelite movement in the United States, where they are still advocated by some Christian white supremacist fringe groups, which turned to antisemitism, Clifton A. Emahiser's 'Church of True Israel' identifying the Anglo-Saxons as the true Israelites and the modern Jews with the Canaanites which must be exterminated according to Jewish law."

Even earlier than John Wilson--Edward Hine's mentor--was a prominent messianic Christian named Robert Brothers (1757-1824) who promoted the notion that the British people were, in fact, part of the true Israelites--and that he was a literal descendant of King David.

Brothers was born in Canada but returned to England to eventually perform his missionary work which included writing many pamphlets such as A Revealed Knowledge Of The Prophecies And Times in 1794 wherein he argued that the British were "hidden Israel" and that they--along with the jews--would be led back to Palestine, with Brothers himself as the self-appointed "Prince Of The Hebrews". The text and relevant commentary can be read here:

http://olivercowdery.com/texts/brot1797.htm#2pg086

Despite eventually ending up in a mental institution, Brother's visions and writings were highly influential both in England and America where his work came to the attention of Joseph Smith, Sr., Master Freemason and the father of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons. The first writer to connect the Mormons to the messianic visions of Robert Brothers was Jonathan B. Turner, in his 1842 book, Mormonism in All Ages. The Mormon "faith" appears to be nothing more than a hodge podge of Robert Brothers' messianic lunacy and Judeo-Masonry, which has been well-documented. Significantly, Roberts also had many followers in the Masonic Avignon Society.

That many early American Christians believed they were among the true descendants of the Israelites is well-established, but that belief has rarely been attributed to the widely distributed pamphlets of Robert Brothers. And here again, we see a confluence of British-Israelitism with Christian Zionism, long before the likes of Cyrus Scofield, whom many people mistakenly blame for introducing this leaven into Christianity.

It's worth mentioning that Richard Brothers also influenced Nathaniel Woods, the founder of a Christian sect in Vermont who believed that they were true descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel--and like the later Mormons, practiced polygamy and divination. There can be little doubt that Joseph Smith, Jr., who grew up in Vermont near the Woods community, was greatly influenced by their teachings.
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby matthewott » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:57 am

This is some excellent scholarship on your part Ezra! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby wmfinck » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:11 am

Wow, i am not done reading EzraLB's last post, but had to comment on one aspect of it.

I never saw the article for Edward Hine at Wikipedia. So I was very surprised to see the reference to Clifton A. Emahiser's 'Church of True Israel'.

So I went to http://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/ (I happen to have this website in my possession). The Church of True Israel is, so far as I know, a post-Butler Aryan Nations offshoot which is long defunct. So the original creator of israelect.com mirrored their website onto his own, and it has since come into my possession. All they did was post some of Clifton's work, long before there was any website dedicated to Clifton himself. But I guess since they have Clifton's name on the top, and he is the only one listed there who is living, it is now his "church" by default, LOL.

I am certain Clifton will be tickled, even if the citation is highly inaccurate. However I would never expect them to mention Christogenea.
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby wmfinck » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:41 am

And here again, we see a confluence of British-Israelitism with Christian Zionism, long before the likes of Cyrus Scofield, whom many people mistakenly blame for introducing this leaven into Christianity.


I would not blame Scofield for originating the belief that the Jews were truly Israel, which even Martin Luther held, or that they must go back to Palestine etc. etc.

However Scofield is largely the target of criticism because, along with a couple of others, it was his Bible notes which for the longest time have been the primary vehicle employed in order to perpetuate those beliefs among Judaized Christians in the modern world.

It is clear, as we have often discussed in this forum recently, and as I have already mentioned in several podcasts, that the apostolic purpose of the Gospel: the reconciliation of true Israel, was replaced with a universal purpose even before the end of the second century, and that replacement opened the door for the Edomite Jews to retain their falsely claimed identity as "G-ds Chosen". From that point, I would think that the seeds of Christian Zionism really began to propagate throughout Christianity from at least the time of Conversos like Lyra and Burgos, who had a tremendous influence on the thinking of Martin Luther, and probably countless other supposedly Christian theologians.

It is my current unquantified opinion, that from the time of the Reformation the focus of most of Christendom has slowly drifted away from the idea that the Church is the new spiritual "true Israel" while the Jews are accursed, to the idea that the Jews have always been true Israel awaiting conversion, while the accursed Gentiles may be blessed along with them, if perhaps they are fortunate.

Various conflicts with Scripture emerge depending on where any particular sect lies in the drift from one bad idea to the other, but in the end, both paradigms and every point in between certainly do conflict with Scripture.

"Judeo Christianity" has truly become Judaism for Gentiles, but the errors have existed for 1800 years.
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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby Kentucky » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:55 pm

wmfinck wrote:So I went to http://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/ (I happen to have this website in my possession). The Church of True Israel is, so far as I know, a post-Butler Aryan Nations offshoot which is long defunct.

Wow, the Church of True Israel has got to be one of the biggest jokes around. I've been to a lot of Christian Identity functions, but the one hosted by CToL was the very worst. In 2004 I was invited to speak at "The Gathering" near Missoula, MT, with an expected 200 people coming from all around the country on a private property farm. Also invited were VS Herrell, Don Campbell, Thom Robb, his daughter Rachel Pendergraft and Morris Gullet. A couple of days before the event, the CI farmer/host said his wife said "no way is there going to be anything on their property." So the lone organizer scrambled to find a new location, which was a nearly inaccessable plot of land along a river. At this point, many people were already on their way and could not be reached as to change of plans. That morning when we arrived at the primitive road going down to the river, there were at least half a dozen cop cars with lights flashing, screening everybody going down the hill. It was so steep and eroded with jagged boulders that you needed a four wheel drive jeep. It was a miracle that our rental car got up and down the grade. And then driving along the river to the site was half a foot of powder dirt. There was maybe 20 people that showed up. Along the river were high cliffs and FBI spotters looking down on us. But, the real kick in the pants was that the elders of the CoTI decided to have their own separate meeting in the coziness of their own home and decided not to go to their own function. A fun time was not had by all.

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Re: The Protocols, The Rothschilds, & British-Israel

Postby matthewott » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:24 pm

Sorry to hear about the bad memories. No wonder the jews want to associate Clifton with the Church of True Israel... :roll:
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