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Carolyn Yeager

Postby Joe » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:22 am

I was looking for some information on Hitler and came across Carolyn Yeager's site. I have only heard a few things she has done with Bill, I do not know much about her.
Is she a feminist? (with the temperament to match), Is she anti-Christian?

She seems to be very critical of Christians and people who assert that Hitler was a Christian.
http://carolynyeager.net/sven-longshank ... -and-truth
I have no opinion on that matter.

She has a series on tabletalk and here is a quote about that.

Following this short reading, we discuss the general content of these Führer monologues that spanned 1941 to 1944. Discussion includes:

Hitler and Bormann agree on the "fatal relationship" between Communism and Christianity;
Ray gives an excellent overview of the contents of Table Talk;
Carolyn describes how TT shifted her thinking about Hitler in a number of areas, but mainly Christianity;
Overview of Hitler's highly controversial criticisms of the Christian Churches in Germany and Christian doctrine;
Richard Carrier (possibly a Jew) is the main source of the false belief that Table Talk is untrustworthy and the Trevor-Roper edition translated by Cameron and Stevens is "not what Hitler actually said."
More controversial quotes from Hitler about "Russians, Slavs and Stalin" and "Race and Jews";
Where we are today considering the subjects addressed in Table Talk.


Tabletalk has been quoted by WN to show that Hitler admired paganism and was anti-Christian.
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby EzraLB » Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:37 am

Yes, Carolyn Yeager is a feminist and seems to resent and ignore the National Socialist ideal that women should stay out of politics and raise good families. She's also a slavish admirer of Hitler, who could do no wrong in her eyes. But she does produce a lot of good information on NS Germany and jewish treachery.

I think she takes a very uncritical view of "Table Talk" and creates a straw man argument to defend it. That is, because many jews claim it is fake, it, therefore, must be real. What she doesn't seem to understand is that the anti-Christian views expressed in "Table Talk" are contradicted by Hitler's views elsewhere. Also, Boorman, who apparently transcribed the Talks, was definitely anti-Christian and may have inserted his own views into the mouth of Hitler.

Hugh Trevor-Roper, the British historian who edited a few of the earliest books on Hitler, must have had ties to British Intelligence, and his views are completely consistent with British wartime anti-Hitler propaganda. And a major part of British propaganda was depicting the evil "Nazis" as pagan anti-Christians. It was this propaganda that culminated in the concept of common cause known as "Judeo-Christianity".

That said, I don't think Carolyn is necessarily "anti-Christian" as many White Nationalists are. She has wavered on this issue over the years--at first she was very anti-Christian, but Bill was the first Christian whose ideas she found somewhat acceptable, though she didn't go into the CI camp. As I said, I think, as a woman, she's too much a natural follower and allows herself to be heavily influenced by what she perceives as the "rationalist" National Socialist take on Christianity--which is mostly more anti-Church than it is anti-Christian--a distinction which she sometimes fails to make.
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby Joe » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:02 am

Thank-you for your insight Ezra. Very good.
I have no opinion because I really focus on the Bible at present.

So Carolyn's cynical view of Hitler and Christianity can be a bit disheartening, if it were true.

Look at what she says to Sven, in that link.
Nothing you come up works for making Hitler a believing Christian, although you propose that all “good” values are Christian – therefore any “good” person is a Christian. So Hitler was a Christian.


If a woman hates men, she certainly hates God. Bitter. That is the word. She seems a little that way.
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby EzraLB » Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:27 pm

Joe, you're right--Carolyn Yeager hates to be challenged, especially by men--and men make up the vast majority of her readership. She lacks the intellectual subtlety to tackle the issue of Christianity in the Third Reich--it's not cut and dry, but she wants to make it that way.

She has a couple major handicaps, besides her feminist short fuse: her inability to speak German herself, and her superficial understanding of Christianity. She can't really argue with Sven over the core issues, so she resorts to being a flippant nitpicker--I've seen her do that with her critics on many occasions. She thinks substituting sarcasm for a logical response somehow will win her a point in the argument.

What Carolyn fails to take into consideration is that Hitler revered his mother who was a devout Catholic. As such, out of respect for her memory, he did his best to keep his hands off the Church. The problem was that over and over Church officials broke the agreement he had come to with them not to engage in politics. Those who violated the agreement were sent to concentration camps as a firm reminder that he considered what they were doing treasonous and especially dangerous to the men on the front lines fighting for their very lives.

The clergy tried Hitler's patience throughout the war--often to the point of him becoming visibly outraged. At these times, I can completely understand why he might, in a moment of extreme anger, say some unflattering things about both the Church and Christianity itself. We can see that from Goebbels' private diaries--but there we can also see a huge difference in opinion about Christianity between Goebbels and Hitler. While Goebbels was often an outright scoffer, Hitler was much more nuanced and diplomatic about Christianity. Still, Hitler was enamored with the rise of science, which often conflicted with his respect for Christian traditions.

Either way, Carolyn Yeager has painted herself into an intellectual corner with her rigid views about Christianity and National Socialism. She has thrown herself in with the views of Boorman, whom she greatly admires, but by doing so, she's left herself nowhere to go, and to back off that stance will make her look foolish and inconsistent--and the last thing she is going to want to admit is that she was persuaded to change her opinion because of more knowledgeable men like Sven and Bill.
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby wmfinck » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:16 am

Carolyn is a feminist. There is no doubt. But she would deny the label. She would also believe that she was being honest. But my own mother is a feminist, and often I tell her so, and she gets offended when I do!

This is how the world is today. Most women, and a majority of men, are now feminists, they think their feminist positions are "normal", and they do not even recognize that they are feminists! Thus is the disparity between the Scriptural worldview and the Pop Culture worldview, which is really Jewish Anti-culture.

I gave Carolyn several programs and many discussions to try to get her to see that our view of Scripture and history are the correct one. But at the same time she had also been listening to clowns like Hadding Scott and Tanstaafl. Both men are intelligent, and both of them have skewed worldviews because they accept so many mainstream assumptions. They are blind to the judaization of their own minds, while professing to be anti-Jewish. In fact, Tanstaafl's bed and children are as judaized as his mind: he is admittedly married to a jewess and works hard to justify himself and his children.

The biggest shortcoming that Hadding Sccott, who ought to know better, and Carolyn, both have is that they cannot separate what is Christianity from what is the controlled, organized religion of State from the 4th century AD. Because they cannot do that, and because they really do not understand the concrete principals woven into the fabric of Christian Scripture, they are not equipped to recognize those same principals which are woven into the fabric of National Socialism.

It is those principals which make Adolf Hitler a Christian, and a better Christian than most Roman Catholic and modern Protestant churchmen have ever been.

Hitler was a Christian who criticized the churches and the professional priesthood. So was John Adams. I might be able to say the same thing for others of the founders as well. These men did not confuse Christianity with what we call Churchianity. Rather, they were solid Christians in practice and in spite of Churchianity.

Like us, Hitler also despised the Church's universalism, which he also properly saw as being a destructive force in Germany.

But Hitler also realized that the masses of the people needed the constant guidance of a church in order to maintain a moral course. That goes right in line with the post which MichaelAllen had just made here about the average man and woman: Good analysis of the woefully ignorant among our race.

That was why Hitler had a love/hate relationship with the churches, that is what is reflected in his own words in Mein Kampf, and there is no other reason. So everything else is either speculation, or bullshit.

And that is where Table Talk comes in. The book is truthful to a point, and it is laced with pure bullshit. because the bullshit has several layers, the real book can never be known, and it is academically dishonest to promote any of it. But it says what these mentally handicapped non-Christian White Nationalists want to hear, so they insist that it is legitimate.

White Nationalists who would accept statements in Table Talk against what Hitler said in Mein Kampf, and more importantly, what Hitler did in National Socialist policy, are themselves the hypocrites that they paint Hitler to be.

In the meantime, Carolyn Yeager does do a lot of good Revisionist work concerning National Socialist Germany and Germans, as well as exposing the fraud Elie Weasel, and other things. We would hope that she sticks with what she does well.

If you look at the Revisionist crowd as a whole, most of those people would not agree with most of our forum members on much outside of the Holohoax dialogue. Some of them are race-mixers (Bradley Smith), some of them are hopeless liberals with progressive attitudes towards race and culture (Germar Rudolf). Most of them have antipathy towards mainstream Churchianity, and they all confuse that for Christianity. Many of them are nevertheless intelligent, and do quite well in specific areas. And Carolyn, along with many others, is influenced them in may ways. Like most people, she is probably never going to break out of the mold in which she was formed.

Let me also add that we maintain a friendly relationship, I have no enmity towards her. But I am still obliged to tell the truth.
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby wmfinck » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:00 am

I have done this a few times over the years, but here is one place where I compared Christian and National Socialist principles:

Matthew Chapters 16 and 17
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby Gaius » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:49 am

I personally stopped accessing Carolyn's site because of Table Talk, it most likely being a product of British Intelligence at least in the form which it appears. It is academically dishonest, as Bill says, to have any reliance or give credit to a work of such dubious provenance.

I also agree that CY has, and probably does still, produce excellent historical material. Pity about the short fuse and feminist outlook, but which of us is not in some way tainted perhaps unconsciously in this day and generation ... Glad to hear of Bill's amiable relation with her. Wishing her well, hoping she might get to read this and be open to the correction implicit in it.
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From recent conversations with neighbours, friends etc it seems increasingly possible that there might be a "paradigm shift" inching in ... and which of us does not pray "How long, O Lord ?", that our great Father might dispel the blindness of His servant Israel ?
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Re: Carolyn Yeager

Postby matthewott » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:55 am

I am glad that Bill still has an amiable relationship with Carolyn. Yes, she has done excellent work in the field of historic revisionism. However, each point raised concerning her errors are completely valid. I personally stopped keeping up with her work after the last show I participated in with Bill and Carolyn. Her feminism and lack of true Christian understanding had me irritated, and I believe that it came through on that podcast. I also believe that it may have been one of the last shows Bill did with her. I don't want to take anything away from her hard work and honest accomplishments, but in my eyes, her work will remain a tertiary compilation from which a select amount should be cautiously assimilated into CI studies.
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