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Why didn't Germany win World War II?

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Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby NicoChristian » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:48 am

What happened that Germany lost a war they could have won? To me it seemed that Hitler simply overstretched himself too quickly. I'm sure Hitler could have won simply by limiting his conflicts. May be if Hitler had of defeated his enemies one at a time instead of fighting all at once, he would have succeeded. I also think that his allies, Italy and Japan did nothing but hinder him. Morally I agree with Hitler, but I simply disagree with his strategies and overconfidence. It's easy to look back in hindsight, but still even at the time many knew that he overstretched his forces. The sad thing is we have to live with the consequences, ever since the Jews eliminated Hitler they have pursued vengeance against all of the White race through race-mixing and subversion. The Jews will never forgive the White race for Hitler and continue to remind us daily. It's as if the Jews say, you betrayed us and now as punishment you have to mix your heritage with mud races.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby wmfinck » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:51 am

Daniel 12:1 wrote:And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


Your query makes it seem that Hitler was the aggressor, which was by no means the case. His confidence in the face of tremendous odds was only a display of faith in a Righteous God, that he being a rightful defender of his people would prevail. He did well, but it was simply not meant to be so.

The Hebrew word "Michael" may be interpreted to mean "Who is like God?" I believe that Daniel refers to this time, which we hope is the last time, the "time of Jacob's trouble" mentioned by Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 30:1-8 wrote:1, The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2, Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. 3, For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. 4, And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5, For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6, Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7, Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8, For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:


I also believe that the time to which Daniel refers is certainly fulfilled by the period of the world wars and the rise of Communism - which masked the rise of world jewry that dominates the globe today. During that time, every leader who stood up to defend his people was destroyed, and over a hundred million White Christians - mostly in Europe - were killed at the hand of the Jew.

The lesson in the end is that only Yahshua Christ can save His people, and only He can be their rightful King.

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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby Lang » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:07 am

Actually when Hitler gone for Operation Barbarossa the UK was not a threat. France had just fall, the british army had been defeated and humiliatingly saved from destruction at Dunkirk and England herself had just passed through a massive air campaign to defend their own country.

Hitler could have made sure to totally defeat England before go for Soviet Union, but also the reds in the east were a huge threat and he could not wait too much. Thats said now that Stalin was planning an invasion not much time after Germany invaded.

But I believe the key militar mistakes were made in the russian campaign, particularly regarding Hitler's decisions to keep going forward and attacking on winter when german troops were already tired and in poor conditions to survive the extreme weather. Look at the Moscow offensive in the end of 1941.

I do agree that the italians were a terrible ally. They were supposed to fight well if we remember of the Roman Empire days, but they lost every battle. I can't understand how they managed to lose to british forces in North Africa in the beginning of the war. England had only one division there while Italy had the entire tenth army. Not to mention Mussolini's fiasco in Greece.

Japan wasn't of any help either. They brought USA into the war although thats known nowadays that they had no option but to make war.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby wmfinck » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:03 am

You are blaming Hitler for poor strategy, when the blame really lay with his generals. Hitler's tactical error was only that he gave his generals too much freedom. If Hitler had been a tyrant like Stalin, there would have been a bloody purge!

Many of Hitler's generals were traitors. Others sought their own glory.

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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby NicoChristian » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:20 am

I've listened to some of the podcasts and agree. I just wanted to discuss how the war could have been better fought and it seems that mistake after mistakes was made. It seems Hitler was the last Christian leader fighting for righteousness. The first world war was also to blame, it destroyed the old empires and monarchies and replaced them with Communist republics. After world war one degeneracy picked up and the decadency of the twenties began. It seems after a major war people want to indulge in degeneracy even though in the long run it leads to the sick society we live in today. Nowadays in media we're told how great and free our society is and previous conservative societies are mocked as outdated and backwards. Our society is degrading into decay, next thing you know we'll become like the decaying Ottomon empire.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby Joe » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:56 am

Our society is degrading into decay, next thing you know we'll become like the decaying Ottomon empire.


That Russia no.1 document seems to be more of the nightmare we could face, but in modern terms.
I am only upto page 11 or so, before the real tragedies but already I see many of these things in my own country.

-Idiots are given important roles in society. Unqualified people supervise doctors, skilled manufacturing and make important decisions.
-Manufacturing in many areas is down 90%, some industries are dead. The state gets most of the profits.
-They told peasants that they would all own a piece of land, and the profits; then, once in power, all the benefits of productivity belonged to the state.
-Workers have to spend time out-of work getting food from farming areas, only to have the food seized on the trip back. The workers are tired and malnourished.
-The property owners and strong members of the community are in prison/shot.
-They are starving prisoners, holding their wives ransom, breaking international law.

While the methods are not as crude today, the same effects are visible everywhere.

Something else I am seeing in my country, not on the list. Is that when I walk down the street, niggers straight from apefrica who cannot even operate a parking meter have been given new cars, clothes and housing while White people are battling (Aussie battlers). And rather than idiots being put in positions of power, non-whites are being given positions of power ...worse than idiots.

Nowadays in media we're told how great and free our society is and previous conservative societies are mocked as outdated and backwards.


Yes while we all go head down the path of ruin, most White people don't even seem to notice. They don't want to go to the "conservative and oppressive" societies of the past. Ah, to live in Hitlers Germany, if only for a short decade.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby Staropramen » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:54 am

wmfinck wrote:
Daniel 12:1 wrote:And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


Your query makes it seem that Hitler was the aggressor, which was by no means the case. His confidence in the face of tremendous odds was only a display of faith in a Righteous God, that he being a rightful defender of his people would prevail. He did well, but it was simply not meant to be so.

The Hebrew word "Michael" may be interpreted to mean "Who is like God?" I believe that Daniel refers to this time, which we hope is the last time, the "time of Jacob's trouble" mentioned by Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 30:1-8 wrote:1, The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2, Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. 3, For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. 4, And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5, For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6, Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7, Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8, For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:


I also believe that the time to which Daniel refers is certainly fulfilled by the period of the world wars and the rise of Communism - which masked the rise of world jewry that dominates the globe today. During that time, every leader who stood up to defend his people was destroyed, and over a hundred million White Christians - mostly in Europe - were killed at the hand of the Jew.

The lesson in the end is that only Yahshua Christ can save His people, and only He can be their rightful King.

I know you are busy. Maybe you should check out the Revelation I did series one day.


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I don't understand that part of Jeremiah that you quoted where it says "and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it". To return somewhere you have to have been there previously. The regathering place of Israel is the United States, not Palestine. Please explain.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby wmfinck » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:38 pm

Staropramen wrote:Bill,
I don't understand that part of Jeremiah that you quoted where it says "and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it". To return somewhere you have to have been there previously. The regathering place of Israel is the United States, not Palestine. Please explain.


Read Ezekiel 37 also, especially verses 15 through 22. You are looking at things too narrowly, for the regathering of Israel out of the lands where they were scattered was long accomplished. Another regathering is at the second advent, when Israel is regathered to Christ.

Was not Israel to inherit "the earth", "the nations", etc? How would you define "land that I gave to your fathers" when there were several separate promises?

Jeremiah 30:11: "For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. "

In the end, it ALL belongs to Israel, through Christ.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby wmfinck » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:42 pm

Furthermore, see Deuteronomy 32:8, which cannot describe the land of Canaan because Israel took that from Canaanites, who in spite of their curse are mentioned among Adam's descendants in Genesis chapter 10. Also, it cannot be limited to the land of the Near East promised to Abraham, since that caused Israel to displace even several kindred Adamic tribes.

Some promises of a land for Israel transcend others. Deuteronomy 32:8 had to transcend the promises to Abraham concerning Palestine.
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Re: Why didn't Germany win World War II?

Postby Filidh » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:50 pm

there were traitors in the midst of high positions in nationalsocialist germany. himmler was a pagan occultist, bormann was an atheist, rosenberg was a pagan occultist close to himmler. as was already stated, many of hitler's generals betrayed him and sent intel to the allies. in the last days of the reich, himmler and goehring betrayed hitler and engaged in secret negotiations with the allies without his permission and tried to seize power in the state.

also, some of the nationalsocialists were idolatrous and erected statues of golden eagles thruout the nation and gave them places of honor at meetinghalls and other venues. how is erecting and honoring a golden eagle any better than erecting and honoring a golden calf? and why would god punish one but not the other?

also, the nationalsocialists believed pride was a good thing and basked themselves in pride of deeds past, present, and future. pride leads to the decline and fall of empires and men, and hitler, while being a great man in most aspects, is no exception to this eternal law.

also, while hitler did reference jehovah, god, and christ many times and was clearly a christian in most aspects of his life, he also referenced 'the gods', giving glory to them and honoring them, of german soldiers ascending into valhalla, and other pagan ideas such as his constant referencing thruout 'mein kampf' to the 'goddess of vengeance', the 'goddess of destiny', 'the fates', and to the goddess of vengeance marching side-by-side with the 'god of war'.

there're more than these examples, but these should be enough to show that we must go completely and utterly with god and be submissive to him in all things, not just most things while still doing some things our way.

hitler was a great man, but he made errors, and if we don't learn from his errors then we make his sacrifice into vanity.
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