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Universalism by the Back Door

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Universalism by the Back Door

Postby wmfinck » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:05 pm

This article is a candidate for the next Saxon Messenger editorial. Since I presented it in a podcast along with a few other topics on July 30th, 2016, I thought I would post it here.

Universalism by the Back Door

It is absolutely exasperating to us, to encounter so many so-called Identity Christians on Facebook and other social media websites who are willing to argue for hours in the defense of people of other races, who were clearly excluded forever from the covenants which God made with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and which are confirmed in Christ. It is incredible, how many people there are who despise those of us who seek to uphold the obligation of absolute racial separation associated with these covenants, because they seem to love these other so-called races as much or even more than their fellow White Christians. They will argue with a White man for hours insisting that God loves these beasts of the other so-called races, who have no certain origin, simply because they happen to exist. While they may agree that the covenants and promises are for Israel, in many ways these people are still preaching a form of universalism. We will call that “universalism by the back door”, and here we will explain. It is for this that so many Identity Christians hate our message, and we can only assure them of this: one day each and every one of them will be ashamed, but not for us or on our account.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.” - John chapter 10


If you believe that the non-Adamic races as they are today were created by Yahweh our God, then you must believe that He called them "good", because everything which God created in Genesis, He called “good”. Doing this, you have entered into universalism by the back door.

If the non-White races are good, how does Christ say in Matthew chapter 13 that

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."


The word for "kind" there in that passage is the Greek word γένος, which is race. So if there are bad races of fish in the sea, which are representative of people, can we really imagine that God created them? This we must reject, since God did not create anything in Genesis which He called "bad". When did God create anything bad?

Rather, Christ said in another place that "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." There again we see that there must be races of people here which the Heavenly Father did not plant.

The honest person, confronted with this, should immediately realize that he has learned something wrong, and he should want to learn more.

It is actually tiring to hear from supposed Identity Christians that God created non-White races, when the Bible makes no explicit mention of them except to call them beasts or devils or a plague or a swarm. It is actually tiring to hear from supposed Identity Christians that God created the non-White races, when Yahshua Christ described them as a flood from the mouth of the serpent. The serpent, identified in Revelation chapter 12 with Satan and the Devil, the non-White races of that flood must be from beneath, rather than from above. They must have their origins in corruption, rather than in the creation of God.

That corruption is described allegorically in Matthew chapter 13:

“The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”


Every plant that Yahweh did not plant shall be rooted up and bundled for burning, and if one truly wants to divide the Word of God in truth, he should better investigate what sort of plants it was to which Yahshua Christ was referring.

Jeremiah, Obadiah, Psalms and the Revelation all prophesy the end of the non-Adamic races. Jeremiah tells the children of Israel in two different places that Yahweh shall “make a full end of all nations where I have scattered thee”. Since nations in Scripture are groups of people, and not governments or geographical areas, Christians must stop to consider two things: What nations will be left after this happens, and to what places have Israelites not been scattered. We think we will find at least a few Israelites dwelling in every single country on earth. So there are probably not going to be any non-Israelites left once Jeremiah 30:11 and Jeremiah 46:28 are finally fulfilled.

If we believe that the children of Israel are the Zion of God, that the people themselves are God’s holy mountain, as they are described in Daniel chapter 2 and elsewhere, Obadiah the prophet tells us

“15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. 16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.”


We read this to mean that all of the non-Israelite peoples feeding off of, or benefiting from, the children of Israel in this Babylonian system under which we now live are going to “be as though they had not been” on the day of the wrath of Yahweh, at the return of the Christ. So Christians must stop to consider this every time they think of defending a non-White who is in White countries, or otherwise living at the expense of Whites, whether he has a job or not, or is otherwise benefiting from White society. The scripture promises that they shall be as if they never existed, so Christians must think twice about defending them.

In the first epistle of Peter, in chapter 2, the apostle tells his fellow Christians of the assemblies of Anatolia that they are “a chosen race (γένος), a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people”, just as Paul had warned the Corinthians to “come out from among them and be separate”. In that same place, Peter cited a prophecy from Hosea concerning the dispersed children of Israel, and shows that he knew whom it was that he was writing to, that his readers were Israelites of the ancient dispersions as Paul had also told them. Then in chapter two of his second epistle, Peter is talking about people who do not belong in the assembly of God, and he calls them “natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed” who “shall utterly perish in their own corruption”. He calls them “Spots … and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you” and “cursed children”.

So we must ask, What spots and blemishes did Yahweh God create? What “cursed children” did God create? Some so-called Identity Christians insist that the non-White races are the “beasts” of God’s creation in Genesis chapter 1. But what people as beasts did God create which were “made to be taken and destroyed”, when everything that God created was good?

We posted a draft copy of this opinion in a certain Christian Identity group on Facebook, along with a link to the Christogenea podcasts from Pragmatic Genesis which discuss the non-Adamic races. Those programs discuss the points which we have already made here, along with many similar remarks concerning the other races which were made in the prophets and the writings of the apostles which support those same points. Then a certain woman, whose name we will withhold here, came back with a remark and said “So are you saying that Satan created the dark races? And what about Lucifer (Satan) didn't God created him to be the highest angel? But look… he is now God’s greatest adversary and will not be in the kingdom in the end days. The Bible says that God created all things and without Him nothing would exist?!?”

Aside from some of her silly Catholic ideas (such as using Lucifer as a proper name), which we had purposely overlooked, we replied and said “Right God created all things that were created. But God did not create bastards. We cannot blame God for our sin when we create bastards. we would ask you to listen to the podcasts. Wow, if we could prove all of this in a Facebook post, we would have done that.”

But this woman did not want to listen to any evidence, and that attitude is very common among Identity Christians. In some respects, they are more arrogant that most of the denominational Judeo-Christians, conceited and self-righteous with what little knowledge that they have, they imagine that there is nothing beyond what they think they know. So she responded “’Bastards’ are certainly a hybrid that God did not create. But you said above that God did not create the non-White races. But he certainly did. Genesis 2:19 clearly states… ‘And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field...’ End of discussion.”

End of discussion? So she actually thinks that we missed that verse? So she wants to chime in and make a decree in defense of the non-White races, and insist that the discussion must end there, in a group for which the explicit purpose is to discuss such things. Her arrogance escapes her, and her ignorance, so the conversation only got worse from there. A lot worse. But that we would be compelled to write about elsewhere.

We know it is a common belief in Christian Identity circles, that because all of the animals of God’s creation were presented to Adam, and we are told that no fitting wife was found among them, that there must have been potential two-legged animals among them, so therefore the other races must be the “beasts” that were presented to Adam. We ourselves believed that error at one time, until around 2005 when we wrote the Broken Cisterns essays, as it was taught by most of the elder Identity teachers. But now through much study, for some time we have understood it to be just that, an error.

It is sheer sophistry to insist that Adam was presented with the other races as “beasts”, when the Scripture at Genesis 2:19 also informs us that Adam was presented with cattle and birds as well, for the same reason that he was presented with the beasts. There were three categories in Genesis 2:19 representing “every living creature” which God had made. Those three categories are “every beast of the field”, “every fowl of the air”, and “all cattle”. So if cattle are a certain type of large animal, and fowl are birds, Adam did not find a wife among them, and they too must have been candidates. Therefore, “beast of the field” in this context must stand for every other animal which was not a large ruminant or a bird. That would include chipmunks and squirrels, lions and leopards, dogs and possums and racoons and all sorts of other animals. But it does not necessarily include any so-called “people” as beasts.

It is also absolute ignorance to believe that even if God did create some cognizant race as “beasts”, that any of the non-White races of today are representative of that original “beast” race, when there is no proof upholding such an idea and much historical proof to the contrary. The ultimate hypocrisy of the so-called Identity Christians who claim these things is to claim that these so-called other races are beasts in the Old Testament, and then to claim that they are men in the New Testament. We have seen and heard them do it with our own eyes and ears. That is also an element of universalism by the back door.

In order to understand what it is that Adam is being presented with and why, which we will call the antithesis, we must understand what the sin of the fallen angels was, which we will call the thesis. Yes, Genesis is the antithesis, because the sin of the fallen angels which is partially described in Revelation chapter 12 began before the creation of Adam, and that is why the serpent is the representative of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is also why in the Revelation a flood consisting of all the world’s non-Israelite nations is said to come out of the mouth of the serpent. The Book of Enoch, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, tells us a little about that tree. This is from a presentation of Luke chapter 4 given at Christogenea in June of 2012:

From a translation of the Qumran scrolls, The Dead Sea Scrolls, A New Translation by Michael Wise, Martin Abegg Jr. and Edward Cook, on page 247, a translation of 1Q23, fragments 1 and 6, which are unfortunately highly fragmented: “1 [... two hundred] 2 donkeys, two hundred asses, two hund[red ... rams of the] 3 flock, two hundred goats, two hundred [... beast of the] 4 field from every animal, from every [bird ...] 5 [...] for miscegenation [...]”. And in the same source, 4Q531, fragment 2: “1 [...] they defiled [...] 2 [... they begot] giants and monsters [...] 3 [...] they begot, and, behold, all [the earth was corrupted ...] 4 [...] with its blood and by the hand of [...] 5 [giants] which did not suffice for them and [...] 6 [...] and they were seeking to devour many […] 7 [...] 8 the monsters attacked it.” Again, 4Q532, Col. 2 fragments 1-6: “2 [...] flesh [...] 3 al[l ...] monsters [...] will be [...] 4 [...] they would arise [...] lacking in true knowledge [...] because [...] 5 [...] the earth [grew corrupt ...] mighty [...] 6 [...] they were considering [...] 7 [...] from the angels upon [...] 8 [...] in the end it will perish and die [...] 9 [...] they caused great corruption in the [earth ...] 10 [... this did not] suffice to [...] 11 they will be [...]”. While they are quite fragmentary, the general theme of these fragments from what is known as the Book of Giants is readily evident. A very similar version of what is related here is found in 1 Enoch, i.e. chapters 86 and 88. It is highly probable that accounts such as these were the inspiration for the ancient chimera myths of both Greek and Near East mythology. The offspring which resulted from the unions of diverse species are later called bastards, for instance in the Dead Sea Scroll labelled as 4Q204 which is reckoned among the Enoch literature, and their extermination is forecast where it says “Exterminate all the spirits of the bastards and the sons of the Watchers”, which seems to have been speaking prophetically and is speaking of the offspring of the fallen angels. In the end there are sheep, and everything else is a goat destined for the Lake of Fire where are Hell and Death and the False Prophet.


Evidently, there are two trees in the Garden of Eden which without a doubt represent people. They are the Tree of Life, Christ and His Adamic race, and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which are the fallen angels, as the serpent is directly linked to them in Revelation chapter 12 and Genesis chapter 3. They had the knowledge of good, and rebelling against God by corrupting His Creation they wandered off into the knowledge of evil. Among other things, the apostle Jude relates these fallen angels to Cain, to Sodom, to the error of Balaam and Balak who tried to get the children of Israel to race-mix, and he says of these fallen angels that they are bound in chains of darkness. They are not bound in darkness in chains, rather, they are bound in chains of darkness, which can only be an allegory for the dark bodies of their corrupted genetics. That is especially evident when everything else which Jude says about them is considered.

So the error of the fallen angels was to corrupt God’s creation, and race-mix even themselves. But the antithesis is this: when God created Adam He taught him the law of kind after kind, and that animals were not suitable mates for men. So his wife must be flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone. If one do not believe that White people could sink to the level of having sex with animals, one had better check the headlines because the stories we hear about are quite frequent. Sheep, horses, dogs, donkeys, there is nothing below a man when he rejects his God.

We have said this a thousand times. We must say it once more. There are two trees in the Garden, one of Life, and one of evil. And in the time of the end, there are only two sorts of people: sheep and goats, wheat and tares, good fish and bad. Cain is not the only corruption of the devil. There were many more before him, so there was an entire tree of good and evil which was already in the Garden when Adam was created. The tares were planted by the devil from the beginning, and all of the other races are bad in the end. Tares are not Jews only, but rather, tares are every plant which Yahweh did not plant. Unless one can show specifically where Yahweh created non-White races and they are called good, one is deceiving himself if he thinks that Yahweh created them at all.

If one chooses to dispute with this assessment, then please set forth two or three verses in Scripture by which we know with certainty that there should be other races of so-called people among us in these last days who are good. The Bible describes the aliens among us: in Deuteronomy it says that they will take our sons and daughters, and we will grieve but we will not be able to do a damned thing about it, because of our own disobedience. Since Christians are instructed to come out from among them, and be separate, not be joined to the impure, if we teach that these other races are somehow “good” then we further invite such punishment. Rather, the prophet Joel described these other races devouring our wealth and our children as locusts, caterpillars, palmerworms and cankerworms. That is how we should see the aliens consuming our wealth and our goods in all of the formerly Christian nations of today. That is the only Scriptural way in which these other races should be considered, as non-entities, because they shall prosper for a time, and then they shall be as though they had not been.

If one does not understand the things which we have said here, and refuses to go study the matter and either come to agree or produce the necessary evidence to correct us if we are wrong, then we are confident that such a person does indeed have some unseemly agenda.

We can also say this, because half of the people claiming to be Christian Identity already hate us, so it really does not matter if they hate us even more: Any so-called Identity Christian who maintains that Yahweh created the modern non-White races is a liar and a fool. Any so-called Identity Christian who maintains that Yahweh created the modern non-White races is a hypocrite and denies the very words of Yahshua Christ, who describes them as a flood coming from the mouth of the serpent. There are people born from above, and the only alternative is to be born from below. The non-White races must therefore be born from below, as they come from the mouth of the serpent, and not from the mouth of God. So the serpent is responsible for them, as the serpent is the corrupter of the Creation of God.

It is time that Identity Christians slam the back door shut in the face of such universalism.

We hear it all the time. Oh, we have no love, because we do not kiss the asses of men. Oh, we teach with hatred, because we tell them what we believe to be truth plainly and bluntly. Oh, we are mean and stubborn, because we are confident and unyielding. We hear the same old broken tunes all the time, and those who sing them never want to sit and address the issues like men.

So the people who say those things are only looking for excuses. Or being jealous for the lies they have clung to for so many years, rejecting the truth they want to keep others from hearing it as well.
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Re: Universalism by the Back Door

Postby CIman » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:15 pm

It's so frustrating when people act like that woman. They profess to be so wise when you debate them and will always spew out verses and scripture in this, "yes! I got you there!" manner (verses and passages you've only read and STUDIED a gazillion times). It's always the same pattern whether it's Pagans, jewdeos, atheists, White nationalists, whatever. They always act like you're this stupid kid and they are the adults who will make you stand in a corner in shame because of how wrong you were.

If you debate universalism they always give you John 3:16 and galatians 3:28-29.... and the pattern goes on and on..
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Re: Universalism by the Back Door

Postby MichaelAllen » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:58 pm

CIman wrote:It's so frustrating when people act like that woman. They profess to be so wise when you debate them and will always spew out verses and scripture in this, "yes! I got you there!" manner (verses and passages you've only read and STUDIED a gazillion times). It's always the same pattern whether it's Pagans, jewdeos, atheists, White nationalists, whatever. They always act like you're this stupid kid and they are the adults who will make you stand in a corner in shame because of how wrong you were.

If you debate universalism they always give you John 3:16 and galatians 3:28-29.... and the pattern goes on and on..


Tell me about it. Sometimes I'll troll WN antichristians on youtube. These guys are all jews in disguise, Christ-haters, controlled opposition, or the most thick-headed people you will ever meet.

I had this one guy telling me on one hand that I John 2:2 proves universalism, then I responded that the "world" is not spherical planet earth encompassing all races and all places, and that can be demonstrated by its use in so many other places... and then guess what his response was? He rejected that assertion by basically saying, "if that's the case, the Bible is only a superiority book." I was like.... ...well no SH!#, sherlock?!?!?

So, he hates and rejets the Bible because it's a universalist book, but then he rejects a paradigm that would make the Bible non-universalist, because it would be a book of superiority (implying non-universalism). I think that only a jew mind could be that retarded - and I mean retarded in a non-sarcastic way. But then I have to remember how much "electric jew" our people watch every day, and how that has completely made them delirious.
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