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wehner wrote:While listening to pragmatic Genesis it seems as though there is some confusion over the 'us' when Yahweh told somebody he was with to 'let us'make man in our image. I'm sure there's other commentary on this but I have not found it yet.
We were actually present with Yahweh at the time of this verse, in our real form, our spiritual form.
Job 38:7 confirms this.. During creation Yahweh says concerning the 'us' in Gen 1:26:"when the morning stars(#3556 Angels)sang together, and ALL the sons of God(#1121literal sons)shouted for joy". Here ' sons of God ' are defined as true literal sons. Is it conceivable that we were with Yahweh at Gen1:26? Who else could he be talking to, surely not himself even though the 'God' named here is Elohym. Is it conceivable that we, in our true original spiritual form actually was with Him and possibly 'agreed' with our Father that we could and would take on this Adamic form to come to this 'world' and take on the test.. I believe so. Other places where sons of god refer to adamic man are throughout Scripture.
martin41 wrote:Psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
John 10:34 "Is it not written in your law the ye are gods?"
John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
And as the Spirit of Jesus pre-existed, why not "us"?
I reallyIn the Bible, there is no "creation" of the non-Adamites, however, they got here somehow - so they materially originated from somewhere, so in that sense, they are "created" beings. But they have no divine purpose from Yahweh.
Kentucky wrote:martin41 wrote:Psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
John 10:34 "Is it not written in your law the ye are gods?"
John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
And as the Spirit of Jesus pre-existed, why not "us"?
Because we are not the deity. The 'mystery of iniquity' is man making himself a god. The 'mystery of godliness' is God making Himself man i.e. Jesus the Christ. This might help: http://kinsmanredeemer.com/DeificationOfMan.html
Mark
Yeah, But what I'm saying is if "G"od made us "g"ods then why not the pre-existence and the "us" be us?
i.e. the breath of life was not given to Adam by Adam.
It was only the celestial angels who witnessed the Creation of earth.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; if there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual.
1Co 15:45 And just as it is written, "The first man Adam came into a living soul," the last Adam into a life producing Spirit.
1Co 15:46 But the spiritual was not first; rather the natural, then the spiritual:
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