Who figured out the jews are edom?

[MichaelAllen]

Does anybody know who it was who introduced into British-Israelism the fact that the jews are only Judah-impostors?

It's quite amazing that Maccabees and Josephus record the Idumean "conversion" to Judah, but it took so long for this knowledge to really make its way into the Identity movement.

Several years ago, Pastor Charles Jennings told me that it was after WW2 that most of the Christian Celto-Saxon Israel believers began to recognize that the jews were the communists, and that this sort of establishes a demarcation point for the real Christian Identity movement as being an anti-jew movement... but I'm still trying to find out who it was that figured out that today's jews are edomite/canaanite in origin.

[wmfinck]

That is a good question, but I cannot answer it. However, if I had to guess, I would bet it was someone before GLK Smith, Swift, Gale, Comparet, Weissman, Emry etc. that perhaps they all had in common?

Howard Rand was before them all, did a lot of good work. But he thought the Jews were Judah!

However I have seen Henry Ford (or perhaps it was only William Cameron) say in The International Jew, published in the 1920's, that it was a mistake to think that the Jews were the Old Testament Israelites. So he knew something that early.

When I get the chance, I will ask Clifton.

[Kentucky]

"Edom is in modern Jewry’ Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41.

Mark

[EzraLB]

"Edom is in modern Jewry’ Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41.

Mark, I believe that MichaelAllen showed in a previous thread that this quote is not, in fact, authentic:

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=5471&p=15895&hilit=edom+encyclopedia#p15895

I, too, have looked through the 1925 edition and could not find it under any heading or subject matter. One of the important things that I learned on my way to CI is that there are a lot of unauthenticated quotes about the jews that are repeated as fact, which are not.

Another example of this is the infamous supposed interview with Harold Rosenthal, one of Jacob Javits' minions, who allegedly spilled the beans about the sinister plans of the jews. Turns out, some "well-meaning" Christian minister may have made it up to further his "good cause" which Paul admonishes us never to do.

That said, I agree with Bill--Henry Ford clearly knew that the jews were impersonating Judah, and I would guess that he got his information out of the British-Israel movement. I haven't been able to prove it yet, but I suspect that at some time there was a schism in British-Israel in the late 1800s between the "Jews are Judah crowd," led by the Benjamin Disraeli-influenced factions, and a "Jews are Edom" crowd which took hold in the American CI movement. I intend to research this further, as it is a very important historical turning point, as MichaelAllen has pointed out before.

[brucebohn]

"Edom is in modern Jewry’ Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41.

Mark, I believe that MichaelAllen showed in a previous thread that this quote is not, in fact, authentic:

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=5471&p=15895&hilit=edom+encyclopedia#p15895

I, too, have looked through the 1925 edition and could not find it under any heading or subject matter. One of the important things that I learned on my way to CI is that there are a lot of unauthenticated quotes about the jews that are repeated as fact, which are not.

Another example of this is the infamous supposed interview with Harold Rosenthal, one of Jacob Javits' minions, who allegedly spilled the beans about the sinister plans of the jews. Turns out, some "well-meaning" Christian minister may have made it up to further his "good cause" which Paul admonishes us never to do.

That said, I agree with Bill--Henry Ford clearly knew that the jews were impersonating Judah, and I would guess that he got his information out of the British-Israel movement. I haven't been able to prove it yet, but I suspect that at some time there was a schism in British-Israel in the late 1800s between the "Jews are Judah crowd," led by the Benjamin Disraeli-influenced factions, and a "Jews are Edom" crowd which took hold in the American CI movement. I intend to research this further, as it is a very important historical turning point, as MichaelAllen has pointed out before.

Wow, thanks so much Ezra. I had sent this to several folks over the past few years
and fortunately was never challenged. Very important to validate our info before
sharing so as to avoid future obstacles...

[andersonone]

Sounds like we need to do some more research into Henry Ford.

[Kentucky]

I must've missed MichaelAllen's post earlier, but thanks Ezra. Yeah it's been a standard soundbyte in Christian Identity for as long as I've been in it.

Mark

[Les]

I do not have the pamphlet handy, but it had a reprint of facial profiles of Idumeans/edomites , against 20th century (modern day) jews, and they looked identical.
It possibly was a Gen. Jack Mohr publication.

[matthewott]

I found this on FB a little while back. While it is not explicit that jews are of Edom, it is very explicit in stating that they are not Hebrews nor Israelites. Both the New Testament and the Works of Josephus testify to the major presence of "Idumeans" in Judaea, and that they were considered Judaeans. Macabees explains the forced conversion of Idumeans to the Judaean religion. It doesn't seem too difficult to figure out. Not only that, it's not like Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 mention "impostors of Judah", but "Judaean impostors". I would like to think that the understanding of CI has been in the hands of a remnant of our people since the apostles, even though that knowledge doesn't seem to have been kept recorded through the ages...though I would also tend to believe that such recordings have been found and destroyed...but not after passing the Truth on to enough Christians to keep the Truth among us, not unlike the missing writings of Paul...

[MichaelAllen]

I found this on FB a little while back. While it is not explicit that jews are of Edom, it is very explicit in stating that they are not Hebrews nor Israelites. Both the New Testament and the Works of Josephus testify to the major presence of "Idumeans" in Judaea, and that they were considered Judaeans. Macabees explains the forced conversion of Idumeans to the Judaean religion. It doesn't seem too difficult to figure out. Not only that, it's not like Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 mention "impostors of Judah", but "Judaean impostors". I would like to think that the understanding of CI has been in the hands of a remnant of our people since the apostles, even though that knowledge doesn't seem to have been kept recorded through the ages...though I would also tend to believe that such recordings have been found and destroyed...but not after passing the Truth on to enough Christians to keep the Truth among us, not unlike the missing writings of Paul...

I have that almanac from which this photo was taken. I don't know if anyone really understood the jewish thing until fairly recently. It appears to me something that was lost to history very early on... or maybe it was covered up and forgotten. A couple of years ago, I posted a quotation from a book where the jew rabbi said that, "For reasons of prudence, the church in later years chose not to emphasize the question of the Israelite name, but still claimed to be the rightful heirs succession to the Old Testament." -Or something along those, lines... I'm quoting from memory here.

That quote always baffled me. What were those reasons of prudence? Everything the jew says is a lie, so I'm thinking, it wasn't prudence that made the church do this. It was something else. But what?

That too is probably lost to history.

Something that I've considered before... and people in CI don't really think about this... but, I believe it was Trajan who sent the remaining "jews" off to Spain after he evicted them from the province of Palestine circa AD 133. Realizing then that the blood of the edomite was in most of those people by that time, and then coupling that with what happened in the "spanish" exploration of the new world. There are letters that were written by these explorers about how they would work the Arrowalk natives of the Carribean islands (who were a peaceful tribe) to death and starve them in the process. --- You know only a canaanite could write something horrific like that as if it were entertainment. This, to me, sounds exactly like what the bolsheviks did in the 20th century to our people in the eastern countries of Europe. They have a thing for working people to death and starving people to death... a skin and bones sort of sick fetish. It's like, they take offense when we eat a meal.

Now, if you know the history of Mexico, it was in the 16th century when a Catholic priest complained to the government of Spain about how many jews had come to the new world. And as badly as those people are mixed down there by now, it's no wonder that the Mexican cartel does some of these sick murders of women and children that they are infamous for - makes sense, they are canaanites.

Every time you eat at that nice Mexican restaurant, remember, that's an edomite business as much as the khazar selling you a diamond for your engagement ring.