Questions I'm Having to Answer

[andersonone]

Since realizing the truth of CI I have been gradually been redpilling family members and friends. There are certain topics and questions have come up during my conversations/debates and I wanted to put them out here for this community to weigh in on my responses and understanding of these common questions. Also, I am looking for advice on how to better answer people regarding these issues.

1. So black people don't have souls? What about (insert nice black person that I know)? How can you say they don't have souls?
First of all what is your definition of a soul? Perhaps a better definition is "eternal spirit" and if God did not give them one I cannot do anything about it! The reason they may act righteously is because they have imitative abilities much like a dog or other animal that has been trained by their master. The smart ones do right by their master to avoid punishment or consequences...the dumb ones act according to their nature and tear stuff up. I usually add that the state of other races that we witness today is after 200 or more years of white influence and that if we could observe them in their natural habitat 200 years ago, let alone 2000 years ago these questions would not even be relevant.

2. So what are other races then? If they aren't human then how can they reproduce with us?
This is a tricky question because it's obvious that other races share many characteristics with us and we are able to reproduce with them much like a lion and a tiger can reproduce and beget a liger. I answer that the other races are corrupted versions of our race, yet sometimes that is challenged with the idea that they were possibly here long before us, as evidenced by the fossil record. I think the best answer is that it could be both. They are corrupted versions of Gods white creation AND possibly the offspring of animals and fallen angels/being that were here before God created the white man. Not sure what else to say about this...

3. So did God create the other races or not? And if he did then what was his plan for them?
Essentially God created everything including Lucifer himself so I expect that he did create the other races. Now what version of these races did he create and what did they turn into...those are topics for discussion. The secular scientist points to the fossil record to say that we all evolved from different humanoid ancestors. I look at other races and agree that it is possible if not likely FOR THEM. Obviously as whites we have not evolved from them...there is literally no possible way. As far as God's plan for the other races who knows? He could have had them here to enjoy as part of his animal creation until the war in heaven and other beings/angels were tossed down here into the mix.

4. Didn't Jesus do away with the Old Covenant when he fulfilled it and made the New Covenant with everyone?
No

5. What about John 3:16?"
John 3:16 is the ultimate churchianity verse it seems. I answer by saying that yes he loved his people that he gave himself as a sin offering to redeem them from their sin. This answer is followed by the "whosoever believeth in him" and for that I'm not sure how to respond...Perhaps this is where the idea of "personal salvation" comes from by thinking that anyone who believes in him shall not perish. I have not seen much writing on this specific verse and would be interested in the CI response to it.

That's enough for now. I have more but would like to see some thoughts on these first. Thanks so much everyone and hopefully I'm doing a decent job defending the faith.

[Kentucky]

1. So black people don't have souls? What about (insert nice black person that I know)? How can you say they don't have souls?
First of all what is your definition of a soul? Perhaps a better definition is "eternal spirit" and if God did not give them one I cannot do anything about it! The reason they may act righteously is because they have imitative abilities much like a dog or other animal that has been trained by their master. The smart ones do right by their master to avoid punishment or consequences...the dumb ones act according to their nature and tear stuff up. I usually add that the state of other races that we witness today is after 200 or more years of white influence and that if we could observe them in their natural habitat 200 years ago, let alone 2000 years ago these questions would not even be relevant.

Yes, that issue can be easily resolved by discerning the difference between soul and spirit, which most judeos confuse.

2. So what are other races then? If they aren't human then how can they reproduce with us?
This is a tricky question because it's obvious that other races share many characteristics with us and we are able to reproduce with them much like a lion and a tiger can reproduce and beget a liger. I answer that the other races are corrupted versions of our race, yet sometimes that is challenged with the idea that they were possibly here long before us, as evidenced by the fossil record. I think the best answer is that it could be both. They are corrupted versions of Gods white creation AND possibly the offspring of animals and fallen angels/being that were here before God created the white man. Not sure what else to say about this...

3. So did God create the other races or not? And if he did then what was his plan for them?
Essentially God created everything including Lucifer himself so I expect that he did create the other races. Now what version of these races did he create and what did they turn into...those are topics for discussion. The secular scientist points to the fossil record to say that we all evolved from different humanoid ancestors. I look at other races and agree that it is possible if not likely FOR THEM. Obviously as whites we have not evolved from them...there is literally no possible way. As far as God's plan for the other races who knows? He could have had them here to enjoy as part of his animal creation until the war in heaven and other beings/angels were tossed down here into the mix.

This issue has been addressed in recent podcasts with Bill and myself. Here are the links:

http://christogenea.org/podcasts/christ ... ion-part-1
http://christogenea.org/podcasts/christ ... ion-part-2

and followup:
http://christogenea.org/articles/christ ... -objective

4. Didn't Jesus do away with the Old Covenant when he fulfilled it and made the New Covenant with everyone?
No

Show them Hebrews 8:8 and Jeremiah 31:31 and watch their jaws drop.

5. What about John 3:16?"
John 3:16 is the ultimate churchianity verse it seems. I answer by saying that yes he loved his people that he gave himself as a sin offering to redeem them from their sin. This answer is followed by the "whosoever believeth in him" and for that I'm not sure how to respond...Perhaps this is where the idea of "personal salvation" comes from by thinking that anyone who believes in him shall not perish. I have not seen much writing on this specific verse and would be interested in the CI response to it.

Arnold Kennedy did a good paper explaining what some consider inclusionary words, but are really exclusionary in context.

http://israelect.com/reference/ArnoldKe ... %20etc.pdf

Mark

[andersonone]

Thank you for that reply. One thing from the link you provided that I find relevant to the CI awakening is this quote:

When we consider the volume of Scriptures detailing the exclusiveness of Israel, if we had no
mind-set or previous pre-conditioning, we would have to agree to the following:
1. They are all consistent statements of fact, [not inferences].
2. They all relate to Israel alone, as a race, no other race being included.
3. Israel alone is God's inheritance, as is stated.
4. There is no conflict about redemption applying to Israel alone.
5. That certain covenants and promises referred to were made only with Israel.
6. That Israel is a holy, i.e.set-apart, race -[What is commonly called The Chosen Race].
7. That the Statutes [choq] and the Judgements [mishpat] were given to Israel alone as a
servant nation.
8. That the word "Jews" is not mentioned in any of these Scriptures.
9. That there are different 'seeds", and that Abraham's seed is genetic.
10. That none of these Scriptures can be 'spiritualised'.

The no "mind-set or previous pre-conditioning" is sooo very key and often the source of one's hangup with what is perceived as "new" CI doctrine. It is the similar argument I use about our perception of other races being based upon their (other races) 200+ years of white influence. If observed in their natural state we would not wonder about their eternality any more than we would wonder about the eternality of our pets...then again, white people are known for coming up with ways for our pets to be in heaven too. lol

[Staropramen]

The word "cosmos" which is translated "world" in John 3:16 doesn't mean planet. It means "good order" or "decoration". In relation to οἰκουμένη (oikoumene, oy-koo-men-ay) which is also translated "world" and means "living space" cosmos is best rendered as Bill renders it in the NT as "society". Bill's use of "society" for cosmos is not without precedent. It's this properly functioning society that regenerated White people become that Yahweh loves. He doesn't love the society of bastardly whore-mongers. In fact He didn't even pray for that society [John 17:9].

[Staropramen]

1. So black people don't have souls? What about (insert nice black person that I know)? How can you say they don't have souls?

http://archive.org/stream/negroesinnegr ... a_djvu.txt

Plenty of first hand observations of niggers in their natural habitat.

[Gaius]

One resource worth considering is the range of cd's available on Christogenea --

http://christogenea.com/cds

Mainly biblical commentary, also history and issues such as feminism etc.
Make good hand-outs to enquirers and debaters.

[Joe]

Some of these things people will have different conclusions about and sometimes we just do not have the answer in the Bible.

Andersonone wrote

3. So did God create the other races or not? And if he did then what was his plan for them?

Question:
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Answer:
Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.

Christ also says:
Joh 8:41 You do the works of your father!" Then they said to Him: "We were not born of fornication! We have one father, Yahweh!"
Joh 8:42 Yahshua said to them: "If Yahweh was your father you would have loved Me, for I have come from of Yahweh and am here. I have not come by Myself, but He has sent Me.
[...]
Joh 8:47 He who is from of Yahweh hears the words of Yahweh. For this reason you do not hear, because you are not from of Yahweh!"

So not all people have the same origination. The tares, the bad fish, the goats, the parable of the field and the judgement of nations.

andersonone wrote

1. So black people don't have souls? What about (insert nice black person that I know)? How can you say they don't have souls?

I would turn the question. There is no God beside Yahweh, so if Yahweh dwells in Israel then what 'god' is dwelling in these non-white devils?

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The Bible says Adam has life given of God, yet there are those who were not planted by God, those clouds without water, those broken cisterns.

[andersonone]

This verse has also come up in my discussions with family.

Romans 10:9 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."


I believe this verse is one of the pillars of universalism, implying that anyone who "believes" in Jesus can be saved. I would assume that Paul is equating "being saved" with safety, security, etc. and that by confessing and believing in what Christ did we would recognize who we are and turn from our ways to create a society that would follow his laws. To that effect we would be safe and secure and be blessed by Yahweh. I could be wrong but the univeralists seem to think this is all inclusive. What is the official CI response? Would anyone like to weigh in?

[Joe]

In regards to Romans 10:9, using it that way, to overextend the context and set against the rest of Scripture is dishonest. You could use the Bible to prove almost anything.

For example, you cannot use Romans 10:9 to disprove Matthew 10:24.

So I would first bring them back to the words of Christ and then re-examine the context of Romans 10:9 with them. Paul's audience is the Romans. We must have an understanding that is consistent, neither Christ or God make mistakes.

Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

[andersonone]

Paul's audience is the Romans.

Excellent point. Do you agree that by "saved" he means have safety? Since essentially all Israel is saved wouldn't this go without saying regardless whether or not they believed in what Christ had done? I guess that's the follow up then...what is the point of even believing in Christ for an Israelite if they are already redeemed by his sacrifice?

My guess would be that coming to the knowledge of who we are we come to the knowledge of what Christ did for us and why and from there we will live our lives here more according to his word. Collectively this would establish a much better society from which we could effectively combat the enemy. Just my thoughts.