Positive Christianity in the Third Reich

[mchawe]

Having listened to the podcasts which makes this a truly great site, I am troubled.
Look at our society today....National Socialist Germany was getting itself organised as a truly Christian society. We are back to Berlin in Weimar Germany and worse.
Yet Germany was punished in the most horrible way both during and after the War. Why? I have heard the argument that only Yahweh can separate the wheat from the tares. Also we should humble ourselves to the Will of God, who works in mysterious ways, so I know I am sticking my neck out here.
But Germany suffered terrible retribution, so what did they do to deserve what happened to them? I don't think I need to go into all the details. It makes you sick. (Also the treatment of Nuns and Priests in the Bolshevik Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin and in Spain in the Spanish Civil War. Why did they get punished? They were good Christians who were doing the best they could. And for that matter who would want to crucify Christ? It does not make sense.) These people have been here for thousands of years. God must have known what would happen in the case of the Garden of Eden and Jacob and Esau...Why?
To my way of thinking what happened to Germany was unjust.

[EzraLB]

Are you suggesting that it was "unjust" of Yahweh to allow National Socialist Germany to be destroyed? If so, I think you need to see the bigger picture. Germany was destroyed because the White nations that destroyed it had fallen away from Yahweh's Law and allowed themselves to be seduced by the Jews into attacking Germany. Had they ignored the Jews' money and influence, WWII never would have happened.

It wasn't just Germany that suffered--the entire White race suffered--and continues to suffer--from the outcome of WWII. And until we get right with Yahweh, as a people, we will be guaranteed to see more of the same, perhaps even worse.

[mchawe]

Yes, but Germany was pulling away from Jewish influence, unlike Britain and America. So why was Germany punished so badly ? Germany was not among

the White nations that destroyed it had fallen away from Yahweh's Law and allowed themselves to be seduced by the Jews

Germany was reforming on Christian principles and was never given the chance to complete those reforms.

[Kentucky]

How else could God justify the extermination of those whom He hath indignation forever? The coming Holocaust will be just right in everybody's mind. The saints, after all, will be murdered by cold blooded devils. "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" Rev. 17:6. "Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all" Rev. 18:21.

Mark

[Nayto]

If Israel is the entire White race, then in WW2 Israel fought against Israel. As EzraLB said, we all suffered and continue to suffer as a result. Our enemy hates Germany for what it did and exacted its revenge on Germany, which is why they got the initial brunt of it.

I have the possibly unpopular opinion that NS Germany was far from perfect, which is why it inevitably failed. Hitler's stance on race wasn't precise enough. Imagine Hitler had won and 98% White mongrels continued to populate the Earth under the guise of being White? At its very foundation this movement was doomed.

Also Hitler allied with mongrel nations like Italy and Japan. The law states not to make bargains with mongrels. How can one succeed when unequally yolked? What communion does light have with darkness?

Make no mistake, Hitler was a godly man who did great things, but he was ignorant of certain key issues. Still, a very sad chapter in White history.

How else could God justify the extermination of those whom He hath indignation forever?

Surely their existence is sufficient justification?

[EzraLB]

While much of what the National Socialists advocated was consistent with Christian principles, one has to wonder if Hitler had been aware of Christian Identity, would the outcome of WWII have been any different. As Nayto seems to be suggesting, did Germany fail because it wasn't Christian enough?

Imagine what the reaction would have been from the British and American "Christian" churches if Hitler had been openly advocating Christian Identity--that the Jews were imposters, the descendants of Edom, and that the Germans were Judah, and the White race collectively were the seed of Abraham. My intuition tells me that it wouldn't have gone over very well--and could very well have mobilized White Christians to destroy this "blasphemer" even more than they did. Just look at how bitterly hostile most nominal Christians are today to that message.

Those of us who understand the Christian Identity message and try to live our lives accordingly don't magically become immune to the slings and arrows of the corrupt society at large in which we must exist. Any of us could still experience the fate of Germany, our lives destroyed by the Jews seeking vengeance on us for our beliefs, incarcerating us for hate crimes--or destroyed by a feral Negro who targets our home and family out of shear wanton cruelty. It was no different for the thousands of Christian martyrs in Rome.

It's an age-old question that the White race has been asking from the beginning: "Why do bad things happen to good people?" As Mark pointed out, The Bible tells us exactly why--collective disobedience.

[Staropramen]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Nayto's assessment. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

[Joe]

Off-topic.

[Kentucky]

If Israel is the entire White race, then in WW2 Israel fought against Israel. As EzraLB said, we all suffered and continue to suffer as a result. Our enemy hates Germany for what it did and exacted its revenge on Germany, which is why they got the initial brunt of it.

More specifically, Israel-America fought against Judah-Germany. The jews couldn't afford the illusion of their being the tribe of Judah being exposed to the light of truth; they had to go to war against Germany to maintain their really Big Lie that they were Israel. Everything would have crumbled for them if their stolen identity were revealed to the world.

I have the possibly unpopular opinion that NS Germany was far from perfect, which is why it inevitably failed. Hitler's stance on race wasn't precise enough. Imagine Hitler had won and 98% White mongrels continued to populate the Earth under the guise of being White? At its very foundation this movement was doomed.

Jesus was crucified on the Cross. Did He fail? The early foundations of NS were far from precise, however while other White countries were abolishing eugenic studies in their universities, Germany was advancing this new science. Had they won the war, eugenics would have freed our race from the imprecise measures of the past. Would not Dresden fulfill prophecy of innocents slaughtered, Germany, post WWII of rape, plunder and starvation, and the subjugation of Aryan nations today under ZOG? Is failure based on sin?

Also Hitler allied with mongrel nations like Italy and Japan. The law states not to make bargains with mongrels. How can one succeed when unequally yolked? What communion does light have with darkness?

I don't think Italy was anymore mongrelized than the US at that point in time. Yes, the alliance with Japan was unbiblical, but I don't think it was along the lines of bosom buddies. It's what I would call mutual exploitation to destroy a common enemy i.e. the jew. When the house of Judah was released from their Babylonian captivity by the Medo-Persians, it was one beast empire succeeding the other. Was Cyrus and Darius racially White? I think they were, but their societies were perhaps mixed; I'm not sure.

How else could God justify the extermination of those whom He hath indignation forever?

Surely their existence is sufficient justification?

Mere existence is benign. Our God is not void of reason. "By their fruits ye shall know them" is more than just existing, it is what they do with their time on earth. There used to be a cartoon depicting a rabbi running panic-stricken from the wailing wall with an incoming missile and the caption was "For all you do, this SCUD's for you." Because our people have been so enamored with the false chosen people of God, there must be a reciprocation so that when Obadiah is fulfilled, there will be no doubt about why they deserve what they get. In fact, our people should be educated prior to the real Holocaust commencing so that it is not seen as something horrific, but rather a much needed relief.

Mark

[Nayto]

Jesus was crucified on the Cross. Did He fail? The early foundations of NS were far from precise, however while other White countries were abolishing eugenic studies in their universities, Germany was advancing this new science. Had they won the war, eugenics would have freed our race from the imprecise measures of the past. Would not Dresden fulfill prophecy of innocents slaughtered, Germany, post WWII of rape, plunder and starvation, and the subjugation of Aryan nations today under ZOG? Is failure based on sin?

The law tells me that failure is based on sin. I just can't get around that in my head. Christ died for our failure, not His own.

I don't think Italy was anymore mongrelized than the US at that point in time.

Sure, but I don't think degrees of mongrelization are relevant when only absolute perfection will suffice. Germany needed to clean house and not make alliances with nations who didn't do the same.

Yes, the alliance with Japan was unbiblical, but I don't think it was along the lines of bosom buddies. It's what I would call mutual exploitation to destroy a common enemy i.e. the jew. When the house of Judah was released from their Babylonian captivity by the Medo-Persians, it was one beast empire succeeding the other. Was Cyrus and Darius racially White? I think they were, but their societies were perhaps mixed; I'm not sure.

I don't want to water down what is essentially an agreement with mongrels. There are no agreements between men and mongrels. Today at the gym I saw a mongrel with a particular piece of equipment which I've been struggling to get a hold of in South Africa and I asked him where he got it. I essentially compromised my views on not communicating with mongrels for some seemingly benign gain. We should rather struggle on without their help than benefit with a thorn in our side (whether we see it or not it's there; that's the causality of the law). We need to be a light to our kindred and what kind of light was I conferring with a mongrel? What kind of light was Germany tolerating the presence of filth with some mutual agreement?

Mere existence is benign. Our God is not void of reason. "By their fruits ye shall know them" is more than just existing, it is what they do with their time on earth. There used to be a cartoon depicting a rabbi running panic-stricken from the wailing wall with an incoming missile and the caption was "For all you do, this SCUD's for you." Because our people have been so enamored with the false chosen people of God, there must be a reciprocation so that when Obadiah is fulfilled, there will be no doubt about why they deserve what they get. In fact, our people should be educated prior to the real Holocaust commencing so that it is not seen as something horrific, but rather a much needed relief.

I agree with the education. Our people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge, therefor the more they know the better.

As for needing a reason to obliterate every mongrel from the face of the planet, I just see no inherent need for a reason to do it other than their mere existing being a manifestation of sin. They are basically anthropomorphic personifications -- or caricatures, LOL -- of sin. God weighing the scales of justice with them implies that they are deserving of justice, which they aren't. The only justice is their death, and that is justice to us and creation. I don't think that makes God unreasonable either. On the contrary, it makes Him unchanging, exacting and faithful in His ways.


Honestly I believe that if we're going to get somewhere, we need absolute perfection. At the very least if we are unable to achieve it, which is inevitable, we should not lower the bar to our level. Daniel recounted all his sins before God and we should do the same as a race-nation and as individuals. In doing so, I think we need to be as harsh as possible.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, the "could haves" and "would haves" and "might haves" are all completely meaningless when doing what needs to be done. Failure should be marked as such, repented for and then we move onward. It's a harsh reality, but getting to grips with reality is a good thing. We have an all powerful and forgiving God on our side, and an incredibly vengeful Savior on His way, so maybe not as bad as it seems.