faithful prayer

[Joe]

So you mean I can't pray for my next drug deal (I have seen this on the internet), or world peace, or to win lottery. If I pray to be relieved from some hard-task, instead I should expect to learn something from the struggle to be closer to God.

I know this is pretty basic, but along with my understanding of agape, I had to understand prayer better. If I pray according to His will, then my faith should be unassailable, that I will receive good.

1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed . The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will , and it shall be done unto you.

1 John 5:14
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us

James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

James 1:6
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering . For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

[Nayto]

I still maintain to this day that the only prayer worth praying is for us to be better vessels -- even harbingers -- of God's will. All other considerations are irrelevant.

[Joe]

Hello Nayto, after reading your reply I was thinking about how faith and prayer go together again.

I realized that the daily prayer Chirst gave us sums it up perfectly, of-course. That it demonstrates the nature of our prayer and faith. Our faith in His will being done first, that He will deliver us and take care of our -need-.

This is also in-line with what you said, and I agree completely. I just wanted to clarify that at no-time did I expect to 'pray' for a ferarri or something and expect that to be fulfilled somehow. Rather I was contemplating faith and prayer.

God Bless, good to see you back.

[Heather]

After reading some of the stuff over at stm.christogenea, I'm wondering if us very few in the earth that even know what is going on and why, should be praying in unison? If we as a nation don't bring forth fruit meet for repentance, what if we do start just getting slaughtered like the poor South Africans? Things are moving exponentially, it seems. Should we be fasting and praying as we are gathered (at the same time) and in agreement that Yahweh will pour His spirit on Israel and wake the dead so they can repent and cry out for Him to finally avenge us of our enemies?
What do you think?

[Kentucky]

After reading some of the stuff over at stm.christogenea, I'm wondering if us very few in the earth that even know what is going on and why, should be praying in unison? If we as a nation don't bring forth fruit meet for repentance, what if we do start just getting slaughtered like the poor South Africans? Things are moving exponentially, it seems. Should we be fasting and praying as we are gathered (at the same time) and in agreement that Yahweh will pour His spirit on Israel and wake the dead so they can repent and cry out for Him to finally avenge us of our enemies?
What do you think?

If you recall, King Darius prayed and fasted for Daniel and when he came down to the lion's den the next morning, Daniel was just fine in spite of what his adversaries had hoped for.

Mark

[Gaius]

Like others, I regularly pray for individuals, specific situations and so forth. These change over time by their nature and by answers forthcoming. In addition, I know there are people praying for me because I have been told so. Joe's quote of Proverbs 28 v 9 is absolutely vital imho.

My daily model is the "Lord's Prayer" of Mt. 6 because the praise for YHWH Father, His Kingship, excellence, power, glory comes out so vividly. Also this framework admits all other petitions for others/self, including the destruction of His/our enemies. I only began using this several years ago, being "slow of heart" by nature, as the replacement for other models.

Another good reading/meditation (for me anyway) is the full length of Psalm 139.

"For there is not a word in my tongue, but lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether ..." v 4.

[Kentucky]

If you recall, King Darius prayed and fasted for Daniel and when he came down to the lion's den the next morning, Daniel was just fine in spite of what his adversaries had hoped for.

Mark

http://kinsmanredeemer.com/acquired-ide ... ome-part-2

[Nayto]

I was actually thinking about this on the way home today and here the thread has been resurrected.

I often think that if all things work out for the good for those who love God, surely if we trust God implicitly in our circumstances then we never need to ask for anything.

On the other hand I can't deny that Scripture refers to praying and asking being good things for those who love God and keep His ways.