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Admission from a jewish theologian

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Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby MichaelAllen » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:57 pm

The following quotation is from a book in my library entitled "Great Ages and Ideas of the Jewish People," which was published in 1956. It is from a section of the book called The Talmudic Age which was authored by rabbi Gerson D. Cohen. I don't want anyone to think I have an inclination toward what they have to say, but if your eyes and ears are properly trained, you can catch these irredeemable bastards admitting some rather interesting pieces of information.

I thought you all might find this one interesting.

One other source for the self-conscious assertion of the election must be mentioned, for here strangely enough the Jews were the cause of their own embarrassment. The effectiveness of Jewish missionary activity, it is well known immeasurably facilitated Christian preaching of the Gospel to the Gentiles. What is often glossed over is the claim of the Christian preachers to represent the true Israel, their contention that the new sect was the rightful heir to God's revelation to the Patriarchs, Moses, and the Prophets. The Talmudic community, beginning with the second century often found itself forced to defend its claim to the title of Israel. One of the deep sources of tension between Judaism and Christianity - one that never appeared in Jewish-Muslim relations - was the debate of two pretenders to the same title. For reasons of prudence, the Christian Church later chose not to emphasize the question of the Israelite name; but the claim to succession is one which the Church never has given up. The Jew, in turn, all the more aggressively affirmed his lineage and his election against all pretenders. Jacob was again at war with Esau over the primal birthright.

Some things to note... when we compare this passage with I Corinthians 10:18-20, it is very clear that St. Paul was naming the Gentiles (Nations) who had been in paganism as "Israel after the flesh" and the jews knew that then, and they know it now because this rabbi states that the Christian preachers were claiming to represent true Israel. So right out of the gate, we know that this conflict in the New Testament between jews and Christians was NOT a debate over religion, although the jews tried to use religion as the standard, i.e. forcing circumcision and various other ritualistic components of the Sinai covenant.

Additionally, this rabbi admits that only later did the Christians choose NOT to emphasize the question of the Israelite name. He says for reasons of prudence... and maybe he's right, because the jews were slaughtering the Christians, and it stops at about the same time that he dates this to, the second century AD, although he's concealing the fact that the jews in the first century were actually having their election challenged as well.

From this very statement, the Christian Church later chose not to emphasize the question of the Israelite name; but the claim to succession is one which the Church never has given up we can clearly see the origin of the replacement theology. The edomite jews wanted into the church, and the only way that would happen is to change the theology. This "claim to succession" that the church retained is the doctrine of "spiritual Israel." It stands then to reason that what the Christians originally claimed to be was true genetic Israel.

Does anyone else find this interesting?
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby Staropramen » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:28 am

Very interesting. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. :D
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby Staropramen » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:43 am

MichaelAllen wrote:I don't want anyone to think I have an inclination toward what they have to say, but if your eyes and ears are properly trained, you can catch these irredeemable bastards admitting some rather interesting pieces of information.


Wesley Swift had a whole section of his library devoted to kike writings. GL Rockwell as well. Such publications are often a great source of indictment against these bastards. Recently I went into a shini thrift store and picked up a book called "Yivo Annual of Jewish Social Science" published in 1952. I haven't had time to read it yet but it looks to be rich with dirt on these swine. When preaching to our people about these bastards it's always good to cite jewish sources when possible. It deflects the charge that we are spouting "Nazi propaganda". It is worth putting a couple of bucks in the devil's pocket if necessary to liberate such books and use them for good. Bravo to you MichaelAllen!
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby bahr » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:24 am

Very interesting indeed. Another piece of the puzzle fit in the right place, another evidence of how the dragon gave the power unto the beast. Thanks MichaelAllen.
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby Staropramen » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:05 pm

I went to Greenpoint this morning and I took that book I previously mentioned to read on the train. The chapter I was reading was a first person account of some religious jew that became a marxist in pre-1917 Russia, openly boasting about being a terrorist and how rabbis nonetheless gave them protection and aided them when they were hiding from the police. I thought it amusing that this self-described "intellectual" had a hard time relating to other revolutionaries who he deemed low class and stupid. But eventually he learned to tolerate them for "the cause".

The piece is entitled "The Life of a Revolutionary Emigre" by Charles Rappaport.
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby Filidh » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:24 pm

staro, that reflects greatly the worldview-situation of this time. the ranks of nationalsocialist, fascist, racial anarchists, and so on organizations are filled with workers, while the ranks of the marxist organizations are filled with middleclass and upper-middleclass students and intellectuals, who have been lied to by the enemy into believing that marxism cares even an atom for the very real oppression of the workingclass by the capitalists.

rather, as hitler said, the jewish-led marxists use the workingclass as a batteringram to destroy the nationstates of the west and bring in worldmarxism.

i won't call it communism cuz the marxists don't have a monopoly on a belief in communal nationstate-structures, and using the word 'communism' from the root 'common', from which springs forth commune, communal, community, and so on, gives the implication, to me anyway, that marxism in any way, shape, or form represents the true idea of the commune, which is in reality found in the early anointed assemblies and also with the essenes.
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby wmfinck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:18 am

MichaelAllen wrote:The following quotation is from a book in my library entitled "Great Ages and Ideas of the Jewish People," which was published in 1956. It is from a section of the book called The Talmudic Age which was authored by rabbi Gerson D. Cohen. I don't want anyone to think I have an inclination toward what they have to say, but if your eyes and ears are properly trained, you can catch these irredeemable bastards admitting some rather interesting pieces of information.

I thought you all might find this one interesting.

One other source for the self-conscious assertion of the election must be mentioned, for here strangely enough the Jews were the cause of their own embarrassment. The effectiveness of Jewish missionary activity, it is well known immeasurably facilitated Christian preaching of the Gospel to the Gentiles. What is often glossed over is the claim of the Christian preachers to represent the true Israel, their contention that the new sect was the rightful heir to God's revelation to the Patriarchs, Moses, and the Prophets. The Talmudic community, beginning with the second century often found itself forced to defend its claim to the title of Israel. One of the deep sources of tension between Judaism and Christianity - one that never appeared in Jewish-Muslim relations - was the debate of two pretenders to the same title. For reasons of prudence, the Christian Church later chose not to emphasize the question of the Israelite name; but the claim to succession is one which the Church never has given up. The Jew, in turn, all the more aggressively affirmed his lineage and his election against all pretenders. Jacob was again at war with Esau over the primal birthright.

Does anyone else find this interesting?


Thanks MichaelAllen!!! I used this in last night's program, LOL

While I did not explain, somehow I think the jew bastard is insinuating that it is the jews who are Jacob.
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby MichaelAllen » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:09 pm

Bill, indeed that would be his agenda, but my point in posting it is that they realize that the early church claimed to be more than simply the "rightful successor." So what more could a rightful successor claim except for true genetic sonship? But of course they have this clarity of thought because it was they who intentionally maligned the reading and interpretation of our New Testament and gave us "spiritual Israel."

The rabbis probably read I Corinthians 10.
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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby Kentucky » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:31 pm

MichaelAllen wrote:This "claim to succession" that the church retained is the doctrine of "spiritual Israel." It stands then to reason that what the Christians originally claimed to be was true genetic Israel.

The term 'spiritual Israel' can be taken two ways. The first is a spiritual Israel within a physical Israel and the second is spiritualized "Israelites" among non-Israelites, also known as universalism. The former could be likened to the contrast between Christian Identity and White Nationalism. The latter convolution of identities is the leaven that jews have infected the church with. In fact, Stephen Jones does the same damn thing. In case some of you haven't heard, the January newsletter of America's Promise has Dave Barley denouncing Jones for his recent proclamation that the Philippines will be the nation and people ushering in the Kingdom of God on earth. That's even too much for other universalists evidently lol.

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Re: Admission from a jewish theologian

Postby Staropramen » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:29 pm

I've never met a Filipino that wasn't a piece of excrement. Figures universalists would bestow such an honor on them.
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