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2ndWitness wrote:If you think that your finite mind can understand this mystery which was never even revealed to Paul, then you're ready for the gnostic school of interpretation.
John chapter 14 wrote: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
2ndWitness wrote:Do you see all 10 commandments listed in that Matthew 19 quotation? I sure don't.
brucebohn wrote:
Malachi 4 said wrote: 4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Matthew 8 wrote:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mark 7 wrote: 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
2ndWitness wrote:I don't even know where to start... I'm a 20-year believer of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It's kind of amusing how in spite of the condescension it felt like it was a victim in all of this.
Then there's the quotation in one of the gospels (I forget where), where Isaiah saw Yahweh high and lifted up in the temple, and it says in the gospel that Isaiah saw Jesus Christ.
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Isa 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
Isa 6:7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
Isa 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
Isa 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
Isa 6:13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.
Joh 12:35 Therefore Yahshua said to them "Yet a little the Light is with you. Walk while you have the Light, that the darkness may not overtake you, as he walking in the darkness does not know where he goes.
Joh 12:36 While you have the Light, believe in the Light, in order that you may be sons of Light." Yahshua said these things, and having departed hid from them.
Joh 12:37 Now having made so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him,
Joh 12:38 in order that the word of Isaiah the prophet would be fulfilled, which says: "Yahweh, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of Yahweh been revealed?"
Joh 12:39 For this reason they have not been able to believe, because again Isaiah said:
Joh 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts, that they should not see with the eyes and perceive with their hearts and turn about, that I shall heal them."
Joh 12:41 Isaiah said these things because he had seen His honor, and had spoken concerning Him.
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