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TJ wrote:Apparently I've been harboring a glaring error.
I had it in my mind that the Pharisees were actively stoning a prostitute, she was badly wounded from being stoned, and that Jesus intervened before the stoning was complete. I had this tied in with, "let he who is without sin cast out the first stone."
I went looking for the verse to quote it, and there's nothing even close to what I had in mind. I queried Penny, who went to a Catholic Parochial school, and without hesitation she responded, "Yeah. That was Mary Magdalene." I don't find anything to support Mary Magdalene being the woman taken in adultery.
Where did we get this garbage, and how did we both have the same misunderstanding?
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:The Codex Bezae Cantabrigensis ... is a codex of the New Testament dating from the 5th century written in an uncial hand on vellum.
The place of origin of the codex is still disputed. The manuscript is believed to have been repaired at Lyon in the ninth century as revealed by a distinctive ink used for supplementary pages.
The Greek text is unique, with many interpolations found nowhere else, with a few remarkable omissions, and a capricious tendency to rephrase sentences.
Pericope de adultera [is] present and not marked as spurious or doubtful
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:The Pericope Adulterae is a traditional name for a famous passage (pericope) about Jesus and the woman taken in adultery from verses 7:53-8:11 of the Gospel of John.
The pericope is not found in any place in any of the earliest surviving Greek Gospel manuscripts; neither in the two 3rd century papyrus witnesses to John; nor in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, although all four of these manuscripts may acknowledge the existence of the passage via diacritical marks at the spot. The first surviving Greek manuscript to contain the pericope is the Latin/Greek diglot Codex Bezae of the late 4th or early 5th century.
Jerome reports that the pericope adulterae was to be found in its usual place in "many Greek and Latin manuscripts" in Rome and the Latin West in the late 4th Century. This is confirmed by some Latin Fathers of the 4th and 5th Centuries CE; including Ambrose, and Augustine. The latter claimed that the passage may have been improperly excluded from some manuscripts in order to avoid the impression that Christ had sanctioned adultery:
"Certain persons of little faith, or rather enemies of the true faith, fearing, I suppose, lest their wives should be given impunity in sinning, removed from their manuscripts the Lord's act of forgiveness toward the adulteress, as if he who had said, Sin no more, had granted permission to sin."
Bishop J.B. Lightfoot wrote that absence of the passage from the earliest manuscripts, combined with the occurrence of stylistic characteristics atypical of John, together implied that the passage was an interpolation. Nevertheless, he considered the story to be authentic history.
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:Greek diacritical marks, which showed that letters of the alphabet were being used as numerals.
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:Greek orthography has used a variety of diacritics starting in the Hellenistic period. The complex polytonic orthography notates Ancient Greek phonology.
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:Augustine of Hippo ... was an early Christian theologian whose writings are considered very influential in the development of Western Christianity and Western philosophy. ... [H]e is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers. Among his most important works are City of God and ....
In his early years, he was heavily influenced by Manichaeism and afterward by the Neo-Platonism of Plotinus. After his conversion to Christianity and his baptism in 387, Augustine developed his own approach to philosophy and theology, accommodating a variety of methods and different perspectives.
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:Manichaeism was a major gnostic religion, originating in Sassanid-era Babylonia.
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:Many heads of gnostic schools were identified as Jewish Christians by Church Fathers ...
Modern research (Cohen 1988) identifies Judaism, rather than Persia, as a major origin of Gnosticism. ... Recent research into the origins of Gnosticism shows a strong Jewish influence, particularly from Hekhalot literature.
Pertinent snippets selected by T-J wrote:The City of God is a book of Christian philosophy written in Latin by Augustine of Hippo.
Despite Christianity's designation as the official religion of the Empire, Augustine declared its message to be spiritual rather than political. Christianity, he argued, should be concerned with the mystical, heavenly city, the New Jerusalem — rather than with earthly politics.
Though The City of God follows Christian theology, the main idea of a conflict between good and evil follows from Augustine’s former beliefs in Manichaeanism. ... Later, when Augustine converted to Christianity he at one point accepted Neo-Platonism. He ends up adding an idea of Neo-Platonism with a Christian idea in The City of God when he says: “As for those who own, indeed, that it was made by God, and yet ascribe to it not a temporal but only a creational beginning …”
TJ wrote:The whole drama is a huge bag of filth. So much for KJV being the Divinely inspired and unadulterated Word of God.
Always a good sign when pagans develop their own approach to Christianity five hundred years after the fact, and then become influential.
MichaelAllen wrote:Evidence shows however that the Britonic, Teutonic, and Celtic churches remained much more pure than their counterparts in the Mediterranean world. The Celtic Church of Scotland to this day even knows that they are Israel and to the best of my knowledge, as I have tried to inquire about this, they have no affiliation with BIWF!! In other words, they got their identity knowledge from somewhere further back in their history.
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The Roman church declared itself the seat of the Christian faith in the early 7th century.
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The Mediterranean church was slowly falling into the complete hands of our racial enemies, and that is why I believe they wanted to "evangelize" to the Britons, Celts, and Teutons in the nordic regions. It is my contention, based on many documents that have been retained, that the primitive faith survived in the nordic lands much later than in the Mediterranean world. Christianity found a culture in the north that was already in partial observance of much of the case law of the OT, and there just weren't many Edomites and Canaanites up there to subvert it. So, along comes the 'missionaries.'
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