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Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Staropramen » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:51 am

A response of mine in the Theology section at SF. It may get me a temp ban, it will likely be deleted.

Originally Posted by SheepDog
Okay, now that the dust has settled between the forum groups in the Theology Forum it would seem that the, "Truth", has once again taken another hit. I would like to know from somebody out there that has control of such decisions what exactly was wrong or untruthful about the, "Catholic Menace?"



I doubt that there is anyone here in a position of authority that is qualified to answer that question, as nice and well meaning as they may be. Real Christians know that it's Jesus's way or the highway. The rest of the non-Christian white population can only see what we believe is Truth as an arrogant isolationist philosophy. That will never change as long as they are unregenerated, save the pouring out of God's Spirit on all white flesh [Joel/Acts] when most [maybe all?] of the remaining white non-Christians will be supernaturally shaken out of their foolishness whether they like it or not and the extermination of God's enemies commences. Look at the thread on the Sikh shooting. At worst this shooter should be considered a brother that made a strategically foolish mistake. But morally what he did is no different then going to Pathmark and buying some Raid. My bible tells me that we will be smashing jewish babies skulls against rocks when Christ returns. And yet look at the things this guy is being called by his brothers and sisters for shooting some invaders. Of course we cannot commit acts that are deemed illegal NOW. But with the type of sympathy that I see demonstrated towards these Sikhs in that thread, even the suggestion of a freekin' donation drive, it is obvious to me that there will be huge piles of mutilated and raped white people before this is over. As one of the only sane posters in that thread stated;

Originally Posted by lucian_lacroix
There is no combination of words that will persuade our enemies to return our country to us and vacate it.

Truth you ask about? The universalists within our movement are almost as bad as the multiculti universalists. David Duke is probably the worst of them all because he's really good at packaging and selling it. ALL UNIVERSALISM IS EVIL. Our universalists will not respond to the general call for salvation and regeneration. Continue we must to catch one or two here and there. This is a noble work in that it gives the individual who receives the Good News the opportunity to flourish in every area of life despite the road of national death and destruction the rest of them are dragging us down.

There's my take on Truth. Come what may.
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Vandal » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:31 pm

Staropramen wrote:
But morally what he did is no different then going to Pathmark and buying some Raid. My bible tells me that we will be smashing jewish babies skulls against rocks when Christ returns. And yet look at the things this guy is being called by his brothers and sisters for shooting some invaders.

Originally Posted by lucian_lacroix
There is no combination of words that will persuade our enemies to return our country to us and vacate it.



What part of "do I not hate them that hate thee, Yahweh? Yeah, I hate them with a perfect hatred. I count them my enemies" do the universalists and wannabe nationalists not understand?

I perceive that the ilk that frequent Squirmfront and Dukeyland theme park are afraid of being painted as "violent extremists" so they denounce all violence for fear of prosecution.

However, I fail to see what legitimate objective is achieved by going postal at a taco stand. The shooter might get ten or fifteen squat monsters before he is apprehended or gunned down by police, and 3000 more will cross the border by sunrise tomorrow. Better stick to shooting clay pigeons and deer. Eventually the squat monsters will start eating each other when we can't feed them anymore. So even if shooting mexicans is morally equivalent to stomping cockroaches, both are equally ineffective.
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Staropramen » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:21 pm

Vandal wrote:What part of "do I not hate them that hate thee, Yahweh? Yeah, I hate them with a perfect hatred. I count them my enemies" do the universalists and wannabe nationalists not understand?

I perceive that the ilk that frequent Squirmfront and Dukeyland theme park are afraid of being painted as "violent extremists" so they denounce all violence for fear of prosecution.

However, I fail to see what legitimate objective is achieved by going postal at a taco stand. The shooter might get ten or fifteen squat monsters before he is apprehended or gunned down by police, and 3000 more will cross the border by sunrise tomorrow. Better stick to shooting clay pigeons and deer. Eventually the squat monsters will start eating each other when we can't feed them anymore. So even if shooting mexicans is morally equivalent to stomping cockroaches, both are equally ineffective.


I agree, "going postal at a taco stand" in the current situation accomplishes nothing really. The Dukeylanders [I like that description :) ] like to piss and moan about how this sort of thing sets back the cause of WN. I don't think so. Our enemies will vilify us regardless of such events and I think that there are alot more fed up white people then most of us realise. White people who honestly don't care about a bunch of dead Sikhs even though they still wouldn't publicly say it. Just today I met a white fellow who launched into a speech about niggers not knowing me at all. Alot of white people "feel" the problem, they just need some education about why a racialist perspective is righteous.
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Vandal » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:34 pm

Bingo. People have a visceral understanding of what is wrong yet via brainwashing and hate speech censorship, they are still psychologically hampered from articulating the race problem. We find them, we give them the identity message, and the rest is their responsibility. We want to seek the elect, and gather them from the four winds, by witnessing Christ to them, and more properly, by witnessing the Christogenea to them.

White Nationalists do yap about the odd psycho gunman setting back "the cause" but upon examination we see White Nationalists have no cause, no moral foundation, and no moral high ground. They essentially live like jungle apes, screw anything with a pulse, do drugs, resist helping their neighbor, hide behind their keyboards and uniforms, and have no cogent moral logic for why the white race should survive. I know a man who claims to be "a forerunner of racial consciousness." He is currently lives with his race-mixing sister, her Mexican pet, and two migglets, smoking his hookah and tatooing the word "slut" on white females. Another man started texting me about his love of Hitler's writings and interspersed it with comments about his morbid sexual attraction for black and Jewish females. This is white nationalism's finest! These guys don't get it. MSM leader Jeff Schoepp was boinking an Arab female, for crying out loud. How can an avowed, "Nazi" be fraternizing with Arabs and not shrink in shame? As Christians, we know that all men are enticed by the flesh but because we trust Christ, we resist things that debase the mind and deceive the heart, and we don't get drug down and deluded into such base behaviors. White Nationalists generally don't want to hear it. It is only faith in Christ that protects us from delusion and racial stupidity.

White Nationalists, Universalists, Idiodentists, and the UniLama insist that all the races came from the same primordial protein soup or divine magic phallus, so based on what objective logic can they claim "the right to self-determination?" Holding a common origin of races excludes "self" utterly from any equation. Dukemeister holds two contradictory thoughts simultaneously, i.e., "whites have the right to exist" and "squat monsters also have the right to exist." He rejects the historical record that shows non-whites never have recognized our right to exist; when they have the upper hand the slaughter of whites commences. The chinese are largely dependent on us, but could you imagine what they would do to our women and children if they were able to forcibly occupy any of our nations? Remember the monguls? Recall the American Indian? Recall the Haitians? How about Rhodesia? South Africa? Egypt? The negroes in South Africa were granted Barnum and Dukuss' magical mutual right to self-determination and those kaffirs determined right away to dispossess and slaughter whites.

Nationalists reverently claim that mutually hostile races both have the same right. Do sheep and wolves have the same right to exist? Do snakes and rats share this mutual right? In the world of predator and prey, extending "rights" to the predator is assinine. The predator race takes what you will let him take, period, right or no right. To add frosting to this heap of dung, many White Nationalists also claim, "might makes right," so why are they bitching about Jewish power since "might makes right?" Wouldn't that justify Jewish power?

The "postal priesthood" needs to relax the trigger finger and focus on parsing the root causes of our calamity and picking up a bible instead of a gun. Our answers wait in Yahweh's teachings and not in fleshly desires to commit violence. Although, I do not, and cannot condemn any man for dispatching Christ's enemies, I can say such acts are ill-advised in light of what our objective should be: a nation rising from the ashes, because the fire is coming.
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Staropramen » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:57 pm

Vandal wrote:Bingo........


Very excellent post Vandal.
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby wmfinck » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:41 am

Trying to get caught up on some reading here. This is a great thread, gentlemen. Thank you!
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Staropramen » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:18 am

More and more I am becoming of the belief that we CHRISTIAN WHITE SUPREMACISTS need to distance ourselves from ALL forms of so-called "White Nationalism". We should be ready and willing to preach the Gospel to any White person but on our terms, not theirs. Take Stormfront for example. My sole purpose for being there is to be a light for Christ. But it has become increasingly obvious to me that the administration there is antichrist, the general active membership is majority antichrist, the moderation team with one or two exceptions is antichrist and as a result my active participation is more of a support for this antichrist universalism than anything else. When visiting Stormfront I find myself A] getting sucked into the support of this universalism via pointless venting B] writing out good posts then deleting them because the antichrists will delete them or C] having my best posts deleted, most recently in Theology for attacking White Nationalism on theological grounds.

I think we need to start attacking White Nationalism and exposing it for the dangerous thing that it is. Back in the 1960's it was Christian White Supremacy that guided the majority of racially conscious White Americans. Even George Lincoln Rockwell, himself not a Christian had the sense to regularly speak the facts about the importance of Christianity to our people and the necessity for preserving it at all costs. We need to get back to this and make our people realise that this White Nationalism horseshit is just a substitute [hence the proliferation of antichrists within it] for the real thing which is and can only be Christ.

These White Nationalist would have you believe that it's ok for every race of pagan savage to pollute areas of God's earth with their temples of iniquity just as long as it's "over the border" of a White Nation. You can't trust these savages to be left to their own devices especially when we are one-sixth of the world's population.

"Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

Psalm 2:8


Until Christ returns we are to rule over these beasts with an iron fist. Colonialism was God's way and it is still God's way. But of course the "White Nationalist" wants the savages to revel in their inequity. After all, don't they really just want to do the same thing?

When it comes right down to it the "White Nationalist" will get in bed with the non-white pagan for borders between their respective stys before he or she will subject themselves to Christ's law. Remember how David Puke fawned all over that negro woman who lost her job when she was filmed at Occupy Wall St. criticising jews? When was the last time this antichrist had an articulate Christian Identity brother on his show?
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Nayto » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:30 am

There can be no doubt that WN according to Stormfront is a means of diverting awakening WNs into something the jews can manage. I'm sure that wasn't the intention in the first place, but it definitely is the situation now. Having said that, it is still an area in which we can shine the light of truth and attempt to enlighten as many of our kindred as possible. Even in an environment like SF, it is simply up to us to water the seed which God has planted and hopefully by His grace they will come to the truth and realize how dirty SF actually is. I know I did, so why can't my kindred come to these conclusions by themselves as well?

The trick then is to just deal with the negative feelings and corrupt moderation. We ought to take it in our stride and count it joy when people speak badly against us. Especially in that kind of situation our conduct should always be good and pure, that when we are judged by God we can be found blameless and He can exact punishment on those who deserve it. Let them maltreat us and say all manner of foul things about us, so long as we've watered some of those seeds then it's okay.

These are my thoughts on the matter anyway. My account is still under the moderated user group and I need to ask Jack Boot to change it. In order to do that I need to somehow suppress my pride. Point being that even though I have said the above and believe it to be the best way to handle the situation, I am struggling with it myself.
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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Kentucky » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:59 am

Most Identity Christians know that there is something terribly wrong with Stormfront, something that exacerbates the so called White Nationalist movement from moving. Before the internet, before the movement was called "White Nationalism" and there was a modicum of Christian principles (in what was called the Christian Patriot movement or Populists in the 70's, 80's and early 90's), activism and interaction was the key... not keyboards. I think George Lincoln Rockwell, had he not been assassinated, would have seen the Light of Identity. I was introduced to Christian Identity through Ralph Forbes, who was chaplain of Rockwell's NSWPP. This organization went downhill as Christian influence was marginalized by it's successors. William Pierce was one of those offshoots of the NSWPP who started the National Alliance. He was informed of the Christian Identity message and continued to associate jews with Hebrews, giving credence to the idea that antichrists were God's chosen people. I believe this did incredible harm to the racial consciousness of the White Power community and infected the thinking of future converts to the "cause." When Pierce died, most of the NA migrated to Stormfront to cry in their beer and become the figureheads of Don Black's propaganda machine. As his philosophy of the 'Big Tent' gained traction, the godless movement got darker as it started sliding down the slippery slope of quantity over quality.

It became apparent to me several years ago that there was no room for Identity under the Big Tent and I believe this was the Lord's doings. We cannot be under the auspices of an adversarial influence. And hence, Identity is a separate and independent movement under the control of the Creator of our race. It boils down to Romans 1:25, "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator." If we are to be yoked, the Lord said His yoke was lighter. The yoke of White Nationalism has turned into Don Black's private little hell, where Stormfront is a business; that in order to stay afloat, several thousands of dollars must be raised each month. This is what quenches the spirit (I Thes. 5:19) of White men: the business of the status quo. We, on the other hand, are to be about our Father's business, bringing forth the fruits of the Holy Spirit to advance the Kingdom of God.

I very rarely post anything outside of the CI subforum (hidden from public view), but a thread caught my eye the other day titled 'Is National Socialism Dead in America?' I simply made the point that Positive Christianity is synonymous with National Socialism. It's not that difficult to see the crypto jews or 'useful idiots' coming out of the woodwork to undermine the thought that Hitler had a healthy understanding of the racial message of the Bible; that he rightly identified the culprits of degeneration. I get so sick and tired of the false accusation from poltroons and mental midgets charging anyone who has something positive to say about Hitler as some kind of "Hitler worshiper." The termites will say, "Maybe if we just use another name than National Socialism, we'll attract more people." Yeah, and likewise, they'll say, "If we just put religion (i.e. Christianity) on the back burner until after we win, then we can figure out all of this theology business." That's one reason why White Nationalism will fail: there can be no unity without Christ.

Earlier this year, somebody in the upper echelons of Stormfront made a major "move" of censorship against my article and self-explanatory title 'The Catholic Menace.' It coincided with Bill's interview with me regarding universalism and the RCC. It was too much for the Big Tent and an exodus of CI Stormfronters began frequenting this forum. We are keenly aware of the internecine warfare that is being leveled against us. But, I am reminded of biblical tactics to be "Wise as a serpent and pure as a dove" and "Don't cast your pearls before swine." I have said this before and I'll say it again: Stormfront is merely a tool. It doesn't have to be the battleground or venue of conflict. We are the underground resistance there, that can redirect potential candidates to Christogenea via PM's and links. We are still missionaries in the world and there are still lost sheep without a Good Shepherd. We have a new paradigm of activism through the internet (while it lasts) and the enemy knows it.

Stormfront is a vanishing dinosaur; the Big Tent will collapse from its own weight. But, for the moment, we have two movements vying for the hearts and minds of White people (CI and WN). We can help our own kindred seek the Kingdom without being unequally yoked together with unbelievers. The nature of the beast (the internet), however, is such, that anonymity allows for good and evil. All the more reason to sharpen our swords when it comes to discerning the spirit... to see if one is of God. The Christian Identity movement doesn't have anything to sell along the lines of David Duke, on the contrary, we are of the persuasion that it is us who are bought for a price, for the remission of sins.

As things get worse (in this bizarre election year), perhaps our kindred will come to the conclusion that our land is under divine judgment. Christ's foremost admonition was to "Repent." We can do our part by planting the seeds and setting the example of Christian living, of putting on the mind of Christ. Our duty will fulfill Luke 1:71, "That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us."

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Re: Stormfront, the Sikh shootings and Universalism

Postby Staropramen » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:13 pm

I was listening to Dr. Swift the other night and he was talking about the trouble that he had on the radio. There was one situation where the station would only allow the tapes to be broadcast AFTER some kikes edited out what they didn't like. Dr. Swift said that anytime some kike has the ability to censor him over the airwaves he will just leave the airwaves. This was why he focused more on the tape ministry. The moderators of SF Theology are doing the same thing to me that the kikes tried to do to Dr. Swift. I asked Lycia to reinstate my post and she did not. I will not be censored by anybody especially some pagan. No more Stormfront for me.
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