Seed of Beast?

[2ndWitness]

As I said, I think the seed of man=adam, and the seed of beast=preadamite. Racially-mixed Israelites weren't allowed into the congregation until 10 generations had passed. So that means if 10 generations ago, one of your relatives took a Cherokee as a mate... today, you're as pure as Noah. The laws of genetics seems to suggest that racial mixtures will become sterile after a few generations of mixing, but will again breed true if bred back to their parent stock.

So says the gospel of the "insane clown posse".. Visser, is that you?

wow ...

I was told this is a good place to learn, in the welcome part of the board... is this the unwelcoming part?

[bahr]

The unwelcome part on Christogenea is: "no proponent of race mixing is allowed here".

The laws of genetics seems to suggest that racial mixtures will become sterile after a few generations of mixing, but will again breed true if bred back to their parent stock.

We don't care about the so-called "laws of men/science", which are nothing but ignorance, confusion, vanity and deceit, we care about the Law of Yahweh, which is absolute, eternal, just and coherent. And your "theory" is contradictory with the divine Law. How do you "breed bastards back to their parent stock" if not by mixing them with pure Adamites in the first place?

[brucebohn]

Yahweh pronounces in the Scripture at Deuteronomy chapter 23 that “2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.” The phrase “tenth generation” is an allegory which means forever, since after ten generations a bastard is still a bastard, for there is no correcting such hybridization. Paul speaks of the chastisement of the children of Israel in Hebrews chapter 12, and he says “8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.” Salvation is destined for sons, and not for bastards, as Paul had explained in chapter 2 of that same epistle, “ 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren”. A bastard is not “of one”, or it would not be a bastard. Therefore Yahshua Christ said in Matthew chapter 15, “13 ... Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.”


Hello 2ndwitness and welcome. Did not mean to offend. Much valuable info here at Christogenea.
There has been much discussion, and study on this important subject.
Scatterers and Gatherers would be a good place to start, Scatterers and Gatherers.odt —
Again, welcome......

[Kentucky]

Racially-mixed Israelites weren't allowed into the congregation until 10 generations had passed.

That's not really what it says. Show me a version that uses "until" and "had passed" and I'll show you a universalist translation with an agenda. The KJV says "even to," which gives an entirely different message. In other words, it could have just as easily said "even to the millioneth." It didn't really matter how many generations had passed, the mongrel element would never enter the congregation and certainly not by violating God's Law prohibiting miscegenation. One can never breed their seedline back to racial purity.

So that means if 10 generations ago, one of your relatives took a Cherokee as a mate... today, you're as pure as Noah. The laws of genetics seems to suggest that racial mixtures will become sterile after a few generations of mixing, but will again breed true if bred back to their parent stock.

Tell a horse breeder that in Kentucky and there's no derby in your future. You would be laughed out of the stables. You see, you learned something new already.

Mark

[2ndWitness]

The unwelcome part on Christogenea is: "no proponent of race mixing is allowed here".

The laws of genetics seems to suggest that racial mixtures will become sterile after a few generations of mixing, but will again breed true if bred back to their parent stock.

We don't care about the so-called "laws of men/science", which are nothing but ignorance, confusion, vanity and deceit, we care about the Law of Yahweh, which is absolute, eternal, just and coherent. And your "theory" is contradictory with the divine Law. How do you "breed bastards back to their parent stock" if not by mixing them with pure Adamites in the first place?

You all misunderstand me. I am NOT advocating race mixing, in fact the opposite is true. But we cannot help what our parents did. The sins of the fathers are not to be visited upon the sons, according to God. The prophets tell us that when a man sins he alone will bear the burden, once he has been warned. What sort of God do you suppose would prevent a child from coming to Him? And what sort of child is being called? Race mixing is an emotional and spiritual problem. Once that self-hatred has been dealt with, the child will turn away from the sins of his parents. And he will most likely marry another damaged soul. Together, they will form more pure children, and their children will forget that race-mixing happened, and they will have been trained up in the way they should go, and they will marry other people who seem to be 100% white... until 10 generations have passed. I can trace my family back 7 generations... I am the sort of white that will not tan or freckle... does that mean I know what happened 1000 generations ago?

IMHO, this is the warning regarding racial mixtures: In the days of Noah, they were giving in marriage... now that cannot be called a sin, can it? So something else must have been meant. And God says that Noah was righteous in his generation... which is the key. To be righteous in your genetics, you must not breed with the aboriginals which are living in your area. I believe that the sons of God were the Adamites, and the daughters of men were the aboriginals... and that this is the reason for the flood. These days, this warning is being heard by a select few who have responded with the sort of effort you see dimly at places like stormfront and more clearly, here. We are doing our part to spread that warning, without even talking about the warning itself. But Jesus says that the same thing will be happening all around us when He returns, and asks will He find faith.

And if you don't believe in the works of God along with the word of God, you will say that science is not of God. Nothing can be farther from the truth. The old books where I have learned this were written by Christians. God sets up the sciences and the rules thereof... and He tells you this Himself by naming Orion. The works of God are seen by men, and the initial subject of science is given to you in the Bible. But the Bible is not meant to be a scientific textbook. God doesn't tell man how to make soap, either, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't use it because it was created with the use of science. Science proves the Bible, just as Archaeology is proving it. To dismiss these things is to continue to be called blind people of faith. But it doesn't take faith to see that the world wasn't created by a self-creating particle of dust. Or does it? Those who say that they believe in intelligent design are not faithful... simply because they don't believe in the Lord God Jesus Christ by whom God the Father created the worlds.

And as I said before, if I am not to be allowed to discuss these things with you, my account needs to be cancelled and my posts to be pulled. And again, I'm telling you that what you know today may not be all that you will know tomorrow. Think upon these things and decide.

[2ndWitness]

Racially-mixed Israelites weren't allowed into the congregation until 10 generations had passed.

That's not really what it says. Show me a version that uses "until" and "had passed" and I'll show you a universalist translation with an agenda. The KJV says "even to," which gives an entirely different message.

I'm no universalist. I believe the Doctrine of Predestination... am I treading on yet another patch of thin ice, here?

I apologize. You are correct, kentucky... I didn't remember the context of that verse. What the Masoretic calls a bastard, the Septuagint calls a harlot's child. I'm good with that.

[brucebohn]

There is a wealth of information here at Christogenea. These are
subjects that have been answered through much study and scholarly
research. If you refuse to take the time to study and listen to the
work that is available before espousing and or regurgitating Jew
propaganda, then maybe Stormfront is a better venue for you.....
You are more than welcome here if you are sincere and truly in search
of truth and fellowship. My suggestion, again, is to take the time,
look at the material here and then post your comments....
All due respect..

[2ndWitness]

There is a wealth of information here at Christogenea. These are
subjects that have been answered through much study and scholarly
research. If you refuse to take the time to study and listen to the
work that is available before espousing and or regurgitating Jew
propaganda

Hello 2ndwitness and welcome. Did not mean to offend. Much valuable info here at Christogenea.
There has been much discussion, and study on this important subject.
Scatterers and Gatherers would be a good place to start, Scatterers and Gatherers.odt —
Again, welcome......

Only those who believe that what God does is attributable to Satan can be blasphemers of the Holy Spirit. So much of what the Lord Jesus Christ said was in preparing the disciples with regards to the last days. In the last days, the servants of Satan will be calling themselves the followers of Christ... and they will be performing the same sort of miracles which the then followers of Satan called the works of the lord of the flies. The Bible often interprets itself within the context itself... and Matthew 12 is no exception. They were saying that the Lord Our Righteousness and the Holy Spirit were of house of Satan. In the end times, when the witnesses are "causing" the plagues to come, by praying to God for that which He'd already ordained, the false witnessing servants of Satan will be saying the same thing about THESE Prophets of God, as well. Matthew 12 is a prophetic warning of this future event. The people who will be casting out demons in those days will be members of their father of demons. They will be sealed by their father and that sign will show... the whole world will believe that THEY are the children of God. Except for those who recognize what Matthew 12, etc., means... and see it's linkage with the "workers of iniquity" phrase.

If you want to say that my words are Jewish propaganda... you are in peril, brucebohn. You need to be very careful about that phrase... for all of the reasons I've shown you, above.

[Kentucky]

The sins of the fathers are not to be visited upon the sons, according to God.

Well, yes and no:

Yes, they do.
(Exodus 20:5)--"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
(Deuteronomy 5:9)--"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
(Exodus 34:6-7)--"Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."
(1 Cor. 15:22)--"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive."

No, they don't.
(Deuteronomy 24:16)--"Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
(Ezekiel 18:20)--"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

What sort of God do you suppose would prevent a child from coming to Him?

The God of israel i.e. the children of darkness, the children of dishonorable vessels, the children of broken cisterns etc

And what sort of child is being called?

Those who love God and are called according to His purpose (Romans 8:28)

Race mixing is an emotional and spiritual problem.

For who? In the Bible it's a sin problem.

Once that self-hatred has been dealt with, the child will turn away from the sins of his parents. And he will most likely marry another damaged soul. Together, they will form more pure children, and their children will forget that race-mixing happened, and they will have been trained up in the way they should go, and they will marry other people who seem to be 100% white... until 10 generations have passed.

Thanks for the plethora of Scriptural citations to support this premise.

I can trace my family back 7 generations... I am the sort of white that will not tan or freckle... does that mean I know what happened 1000 generations ago?

If a generation is 40 years, then you're talking about 40,000 years ago?

And as I said before, if I am not to be allowed to discuss these things with you, my account needs to be cancelled and my posts to be pulled. And again, I'm telling you that what you know today may not be all that you will know tomorrow. Think upon these things and decide.

What's with the attitude? Are you practicing for a drama queen contest or something? Get a grip.

Mark

[2ndWitness]

The sins of the fathers are not to be visited upon the sons, according to God.

(Ezekiel 18:20)--"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."
(1 Cor. 15:22)--"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive."

How do you reconcile these verses with your other the ones which say the opposite is true? What is your conclusion? Is the child of sinners to be cast into hell for their sins, or is he offered grace? In Ephesians 1, Paul says that all things are to be gathered together under the federal headship of the Lord Jesus Christ, both in Heaven and on Earth. John 3:18 seems to be saying that the only sin which will cast you into hell is unbelief. (Keep in mind that I believe in the Doctrine of Predestination when you answer me... my cheeks are already black and blue for no reasons that I can discover.)

Race mixing is an emotional and spiritual problem.

For who? In the Bible it's a sin problem.

The only spiritual problem I know of has to do with being either spiritually alive or spiritually dead... aka unregenerated, born of the flesh but not of the Spirit, etc. And Paul says that He who began His good work in you will complete it... the sin problem then rests in the hands of the Holy Spirit.