Fornication

[Lang]

Today our societal constructs are totally different than they were before the "liberation" of women.

Bill, regarding this subject of women and marriage, which system in our history do you believe that was the best one?

[Staropramen]

Some thoughts: traditionally a healthy marriage consisted of a husband who is the bread winner and a wife who maintains the home and takes care of the children while the husband is at work. It seems to me that there needs to be some legal means by which the woman and child cannot be tossed out in the cold one day should the husband flake out and leave. Being legally married provides that security to the woman. Even if the roles are reversed the person who is forfeiting earning money to be the one that stays at home needs some sort of legally enforceable means to be compensated should the other leave. It may not be a sin to be married in the eyes of God alone but this practice can carry with it the potential for devastating circumstances upon one or more should the other decide to sinfully walk away. I think we need to think about the example that we set before our people, who have a real problem with sin more than how this directly relates to us as individuals.

[Kentucky]

I will talk about this tonight, if the opportunity arises. LOL

I was listening and had to laugh when you said a million things could be said about this subject. A lot of it is semantics and it gets somewhat confounded when there's a difference between "Thus saith the Lord" and Mosaic narration merely describing the social construct, which over time can be said to be transient... yeah it was a lot different 3000 years ago. lol.

Mark

[Kentucky]

Being legally married provides that security to the woman.

I would agree with the proviso that "legally" be changed to lawfully. The man in Deut. 22:28-29 was penalized with the caveat that "he may not put her away all his days," whereas Mt. 19:9 has Christ saying, "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication...." Two different scenarios and the Law addresses the morality of each.

It may not be a sin to be married in the eyes of God alone but this practice can carry with it the potential for devastating circumstances upon one or more should the other decide to sinfully walk away. I think we need to think about the example that we set before our people, who have a real problem with sin more than how this directly relates to us as individuals.

That's an excellent point, which I have alluded to as well. In a Christian society, the one who walks away from a marriage without cause makes a tremendously negative impact on the unity of the body of Christ. In Christian Identity we should inculcate the responsibilities and accountability of marriage being more than what the animals do. Perhaps we can lead the way in a paradigm for a new social construct that is justified in the eyes of God. I knew one CI guy who thought his wife and children were "property," which was the social construct during the time of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that Bill talked about on his Saturday show. Your family as property today is not pragmatic lol.

Mark

[Lang]

Some thoughts: traditionally a healthy marriage consisted of a husband who is the bread winner and a wife who maintains the home and takes care of the children while the husband is at work. It seems to me that there needs to be some legal means by which the woman and child cannot be tossed out in the cold one day should the husband flake out and leave. Being legally married provides that security to the woman. Even if the roles are reversed the person who is forfeiting earning money to be the one that stays at home needs some sort of legally enforceable means to be compensated should the other leave. It may not be a sin to be married in the eyes of God alone but this practice can carry with it the potential for devastating circumstances upon one or more should the other decide to sinfully walk away. I think we need to think about the example that we set before our people, who have a real problem with sin more than how this directly relates to us as individuals.

We should have laws turning the divorce into something extremely difficult to achieve and making sure that the one who decides to walk away will go with not even one cent in the pocket, except in cases of adultery or beating. Husbands and wives who abandon each other for silly reasons must be left with zero money and property from the marriage. Marriage has become a high-profitable business and, through such laws, making it nearly impossible to break will change people's mindset from abandoning broken things to fixing broken things.

[wmfinck]

Some thoughts: traditionally a healthy marriage consisted of a husband who is the bread winner and a wife who maintains the home and takes care of the children while the husband is at work. It seems to me that there needs to be some legal means by which the woman and child cannot be tossed out in the cold one day should the husband flake out and leave. Being legally married provides that security to the woman. Even if the roles are reversed the person who is forfeiting earning money to be the one that stays at home needs some sort of legally enforceable means to be compensated should the other leave. It may not be a sin to be married in the eyes of God alone but this practice can carry with it the potential for devastating circumstances upon one or more should the other decide to sinfully walk away. I think we need to think about the example that we set before our people, who have a real problem with sin more than how this directly relates to us as individuals.

All of these are perfectly valid concerns. Once upon a time, the community regulated such things very well. I will use myself as an example. Let's imagine that I walk out on my wife without just cause. I would HOPE, even PRAY, that the Christian Identity community forsook me, I lost all of my friends, and the people who support my ministry desist, because I would indeed be a hypocrite.

That is reason enough to walk the straight line, at least as best we can. The problem with our modern society is that these things generally do not happen to sinners! Therefore there is little tangible accountability.

[MARKIII]

Since the 1970's when feminism (The woman's auxiliary of Marxism) destroyed the institution of marriage it has been a disaster for men. I have heard many men since then say that they have been taken to the cleaners by the marriage system, losing their home, children etc. and living in a one bedroom apartment or with a family member. Had these men knew about Christian Identity and not got married through the state then these tragedies would never have happened to them unless their state had common law.

[Staropramen]

I will use myself as an example. Let's imagine that I walk out on my wife without just cause. I would HOPE, even PRAY, that the Christian Identity community forsook me, I lost all of my friends, and the people who support my ministry desist, because I would indeed be a hypocrite.

You're too valuable to us. We'd all just get together, find you and kick your butt until ya straightened out!

Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Proverbs 27:6

[Staropramen]

I have heard many men since then say that they have been taken to the cleaners by the marriage system, losing their home, children etc. and living in a one bedroom apartment or with a family member.

I lived in my van for almost two years because of the family court system. I was awakened by robbers on two occasions. Still, it wasn't too bad. I used to shower regularly at the local university. It was an adventure. As my boss would often joke "homeless people usually don't have jobs" .