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Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby Joe » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:59 am

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knowing he is overwhelmingly out numbered.

It doesn't matter how many people disagree with you, what matters is that you put the Bible first. That is humility.
...and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby matthewott » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:11 am

Right Joe, but keep in mind that we censured him with scripture, in overwhelming agreement. That is what matters. That is what we are required to do as his brethren. He will have to take his opinion up with God if he doesn't believe his brethren who are collectively supporting the Word of God. If this was just a matter of opinion and not scripturally grounded, I'd agree with you that numbers in agreement do not matter (i.e. public opinion today)...but that is not the case here. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but thought that a little clarification needs made.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby NicoChristian » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:12 pm

Hello, seems you were all missing me. I'll set the tone of this now; Ezra, Joe, Staro, Matthew, go to hell you condescending, arrogant fools. Firstly to begin my last ever post, I am reminded of this thread in which you pretty much confirm everything I said in this thread about the evil of rock music. I'll post it here so you can look over your own words and admissions.

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Secondly, you rebuked me with Scripture? Matt did nothing of the sort and the other Scripture posted was rather vague. I will post some Scripture later, but all in good time. Does Scripture specifically mention pornography? No, yet we as Christians know that it is morally wrong and bad for our race. Do the Scriptures mention taking heroin? No, yet once again we know drug usage is bad for our culture and fighting abilities. Do the Scriptures specifically mention rap music? No, yet you lot would all agree it is trash and bad for our people. Yet because the Scriptures do not specifically mention rock music, that makes it each to his own; despite the fact that rock music has ruined our youth from day one. What were the fruits of the Beatles, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, etc. On a quick sidenote, Ezra thinks that because Back Sabbath made one song that appears to be promoting Christ; (After Forever) we can ignore Ozzy's substance abuse, immoral lifestyle, profanity, satanic works. What kind of crazy logic is that; a clearly degenerate band make one song that is barely acceptable and we ignore all their other profanity, race-mixing, immorality, etc. In the above mentioned thread you said Ozzy's wife is a jewess. You lot practically confirmed everything I said in this thread in the above mentioned thread. You've totally contradicted yourselves. You criticized classical music in this thread, but in another praised it to the skies. Take a long hard look at what you're writing. Apologies, get real. I stand by what I said and will not take it back; not out of pride, but out of knowing you lot are certainly not right.

Onto the Scriptures.

1 Corinthians 10:31

So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Does rock music glorify God? The majority, no. The one or two who appear to, thanks but I prefer traditional Christian music, not some devilishly influenced garbage.

Ephesians 5:19

Addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart

Rock is hardly spiritual. The only real arguement you have is that you like it and choose to use it. Well we can't all be talented musicians; the talent go for classical the rejects do rock or pop.

2 Corinthians 6:17

Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

Touch no unclean thing, be separate. Love not the world, nor the things that are in the world.

Proverbs 17:4

An evildoer listens to wicked lips, and a liar gives ear to a mischievous tongue

The lyrics are evil, makes no difference if it is spoken or sung.

Ezekiel 33:32

And behold, you are to them like one who sings lustful songs with a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument, for they hear what you say, but they will not do it.

Ephesians 5:6

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Empty words, singing garbage and vain babble.

Amos 5:23

Take away from me the noise of your songs; to the melody of your harps I will not listen

Yes Amos was referring to the good music of the day; so how would Yahweh feel about the modern rubbish.

2 Timothy 3:1-4

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

Lovers of pleasure, that is what you are. You enjoy the music despite it bringing no glory to God.

John 3:19

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

People loved the darkness, rock is darkness and evil, yet Christians still love it despite it doing nothing for the kingdom.

Jude 1:18

They said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.”

Passions for rock music; rock is ungodly, therefore an ungodly passion.

believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Thessalonians 5:19-23

Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Abstain from every form of evil, I suppose rock music couldn't possibly be included in every form of evil.

There are many more Scriptures, but those are a few that I decided to include.

Now to clarify my position. I've been accused of forcing my beliefs onto others. Nonsense, I put forward my beliefs, based on Scripture as I've just shown you to try and show others the danger of secular rock music. I don't want to force people to do this, but I'm not a pathetic, weak, please if you want to kind of Christian. I present my position and stick to it. I've been accused of presenting nothing more than opinion. Yes I've given my opinion and Scripture as presented above. I've been accused of taking the holier than thou attitude, rubbish. I'm not overly self-righteous; I examine myself daily and realise my failings. I don't present myself as a great pinnacle of morality. My profession involves war and killing, at times outright brutality. Unfortunately we live in this immoral world and I do not have the opportunity to live perfectly, but by God's love and blessings I've moved closer to my ultimate goal. I thank God everyday for what I have and for what He is helping me to achieve.

Let's get some things straight. Matt seems to think I'm persecuting him and his music. What did I criticize? Rock music, Black Sabbath, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kiss, Guns and Roses, Iron Maiden, Sex Pistols, Marylin Manson etc. If you want to make 'Christian rock music' then I'm not the slightest bit concerned. If you all want to listen to Ozzy then go ahead, but what do you think Yahweh thinks of them? Would He want you to spend time with them or with Scripture. Many times Christian brothers have pointed out a fault to me, because I'm humble I said, "fair one, that's a valid point, I'll go examine it". Later I realised they were right and that I was involved in something morally questionable, if not evil. But because you lot like rock, you defend it like I was blaspheming.

Your arguements; it's the music of my youth. So what grow out of it, you've got a family and children, act like an adult. There's nothing against it in Scripture; the Bible doesn't specifically speak of many things, regardless we can determine that they are morally questionable if not evil. My talent is in rock music, pity you couldn't learn or play classical.

It seems some of you were wanting an apology as Matt said; ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. What for? Did I blaspheme?

Now why do I criticize rock, pop, rap, etc. Look at what it has done to our race. Look at the state of our youth, look at the liberal, deviant attitudes of the rock idols. They have turned our people away from God towards themselves. Yes music isn't completely to blame, but its influence is en par with TV, etc. I look at the forest not the tree. The forest is dead, the one or two living trees don't change the fact that the forest is dead. The one or two good rock songs/bands are a drop in the ocean of satanic music. Rock has not been of any real benefit to our race; it has simply aided in our destruction. Why do you all take my criticism of rock so harshly? Is it blasphemy? I also criticize the internet because as a whole it is not good for our people. The one or two good sites are irrelevent compared to the overall destructiveness of the internet and television. Most people use the internet for stupid degenerative things like porn; most rock is evil, morally destructive, liberal and anti-Christian.

I was humoured by Matt's little victory post; "yeah we showed him, nico better keep his opinions to himself". So to conclude, delete me account and see if I care. If you think this is the start of a debate then you couldn't be more wrong. I'm too busy to have a debate with any of you; neither do I really want to. I've said my piece and I'm outta here. You can humour me with your responses, but I doubt they'll change my mind. I don't need forums, teamspeak, talkshoe I've been disillusioned with the internet for a while and the only reason I used to post here was because it was good for Bill to have more traffic, but I doubt that's a great concern anyway.

You all may think that my behaviour is wrong, but look at yourselves. You all ganged up on me and attacked me for criticizing rock. My criticism was right and valid as demonstrated above. Your arguements are based on personal preference and fleshly desires. If you had valid points I would have thought over them and come to a different conclusion, but your arguements are based on personal desire not Scripture.

This response is to clarify my position and answer your nonsensical arguements and as I said at the beginning it seemed you were all missing me. I don't have time for this forum anymore. I'm not leaving hating you or anything I just simply don't want to be here anymore. We all live thousands of miles apart, we're not really achieving anything here and I prefer more traditional communities, not cyberspace.

Farewell.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby matthewott » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:54 pm

I'm sorry you felt it had to come to this. You just flat out are missing the entire point. Just because you deem something evil that can't be substantiated by scripture, gives you no right to be as obscenely judgemental toward your brethren as you are. We all obviously agree on the fundamentals of right and wrong, and that sums up each of your quotes. We understand that. Why do you not see that you are insisting on throwing the baby out with the bathwater? You simply take an entire genre of WHITE music (rap did not originate with whites, therefore not music fit for us) and threw it and everyone who listens to it, in the toilet. The least you could have done was quit while you were ahead, and simply stuck with "Sorry, it's just my opinion". Though you seem to be backpedaling on your criticism of rock music, as it was my sincere understanding that you viewed ALL rock music as satanic and essentially evil. You seemed staunch in that conviction then, but are compromising now, as you don't seem to care that I write rock music now. And yes, I will be proud to have spent the time that I did in producing that music for my brethren who like it, in order to glorify our Father! And yes, the scripture that was presented was "vague" (no, I didn't present any, but I read what my brethren had to say before I could even chime in) because there is nothing in scripture verse to specifically call on in this matter. You constantly just criticize rock in a blanket clause, and insult our intelligence with having literally nothing but whiny sophistry to back up your allegations that rock music is evil, degenerate, worthless, ad nauseum. If you personally feel that all rock is degenerate, good for you that you don't listen. Don't shove it down our throats in false self righteousness by throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Plain and simply, everything is corrupt. We have to wade through enough bullshit. We don't need self righteous phariseeism from our brethren to trip us up more. I seriously thought you were better than this.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby EzraLB » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:20 pm

NicoChristian wrote:Well we can't all be talented musicians; the talent go for classical the rejects do rock or pop....Matt seems to think I'm persecuting him and his music. What did I criticize?...My talent is in rock music, pity you couldn't learn or play classical.


I'm sorry, Nico, but you are really insulting to Matt here, and what compounds your nastiness is that you pretend to not understand just how offensive you are being by essentially calling him a "reject" who isn't talented enough to play classical music. Not only are you being offensive, but also reveal the truth of what Matt is saying to you--that you are not really reading anything people are saying here. Matt has stated that he is classically trained but chose rock 'n roll as his desired mode of expression. So you are wrong about him, and for that, yes, he deserves an apology.

Thousands of years ago, the Adamites had sinned so profoundly that Yahweh destroyed all of them except for Noah and his family. Imagine the level of depravity to make Yahweh want to do that. But we didn't learn our lesson. Then the Israelites sinned so much that Yahweh disowned them, sought a bill of divorce. And we accomplished all this sinning without rock music. Changing the radio station is not going to help us escape the wrath of Yahweh. If Christians are so easily corrupted by something so banal as popular music, then there is no hope for them.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby Staropramen » Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:51 am

Wow. Go to hell? I haven't actually read everything written here. Believe it or not, ironically I've been busy selling my huge record collection the last month or so :o . Going back over my own posts here I thought I was honest, respectful and made some valid points. I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to Nico's basic argument minus the insults. I can understand how someone who obviously never had a taste for rock music could hold his views. Like I said I haven't read everything but I have had private conversations with EzraLB about music and I have met Matt in person. I'm sure they've handled themselves as I have towards you, Nico. Go to hell is just unacceptable.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby Kentucky » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:16 am

matthewott wrote:or he will simply choose to keep such opinions to himself in the future, knowing he is overwhelmingly out numbered.

A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Christ and His Disciples were outnumbered. But, in the end, Christianity grew exponentially and won the victory. Not that the aforementioned has anything to do with the thread topic, but controversial subjects, not necessarily clarified by Scripture, are not decided by plebiscite, but rather by the fruits brought forth to advance the Kingdom. I pray Nico returns and that we eventually reconcile the principle of the matter. Our Christian demeanor should be such that no one feels intimidated to speak what they believe to be the truth simply because they are the lone voice crying in the wilderness. If that is the case, then we are no better than Stormfront. "Quench not the Spirit" I Thes. 5:19.

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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby Staropramen » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:23 am

NicoChristian wrote:1 Corinthians 10:31

So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Does rock music glorify God? The majority, no. The one or two who appear to, thanks but I prefer traditional Christian music, not some devilishly influenced garbage.

1 John 3 talks about how Yahweh's people cannot sin because their seed is in them. Sure, we make mistakes but we do not create sin. Putting bad lyrics to great music is a mistake. The music itself though can simultaneously glorify God by demonstrating the talents of His people.

Ephesians 5:19

Addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart

Rock is hardly spiritual. The only real arguement you have is that you like it and choose to use it. Well we can't all be talented musicians; the talent go for classical the rejects do rock or pop.

No Nico. We do have arguments. You're just denying that they are arguments because YOU don't like it.

2 Corinthians 6:17

Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

Touch no unclean thing, be separate. Love not the world, nor the things that are in the world.

A valid argument against bad lyrics. I hate bad lyrics that's why I ignore them when they come from otherwise talented White musicians.

Proverbs 17:4

An evildoer listens to wicked lips, and a liar gives ear to a mischievous tongue

The lyrics are evil, makes no difference if it is spoken or sung.

Not sure how many times you have to be told that we aren't listening to the lyrics. :roll:

Ezekiel 33:32

And behold, you are to them like one who sings lustful songs with a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument, for they hear what you say, but they will not do it.

You didn't comment on this one. I'll have to go and look at the context.

Ephesians 5:6

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Empty words, singing garbage and vain babble.

Already addressed.

Amos 5:23

Take away from me the noise of your songs; to the melody of your harps I will not listen

Yes Amos was referring to the good music of the day; so how would Yahweh feel about the modern rubbish.

I think Amos was referring to the rap noise of his day. The popular music of his day. Most popular music today, what you hear coming from open car windows, in shopping malls and at sporting events is rubbish. That's not what we are talking about. You know that Nico.

I'll address more as time permits.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby matthewott » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:38 am

I honestly don't know why I'm going to continue to address this at this point, other than for the good of my slandered brethren here, and show others perusing this thread what a condescending, arrogant, self righteous christian fool looks like. I will examine the scriptures he used and apply them to him:

1 Corinthians 10:31

So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Does rock music glorify God? The majority, no. The one or two who appear to, thanks but I prefer traditional Christian music, not some devilishly influenced garbage.


Hmmm...it seems that tearing down your brethren for the sake of puffing yourself up in self righteousness is all being done to the glory of God. Notice also your response...you are grasping at straws as if this verse substantiates your OBVIOUS OPINION on rock music. Nothing in the verse proves your claim. We here know full well what this verse means.

Ephesians 5:19

Addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart

Rock is hardly spiritual. The only real arguement you have is that you like it and choose to use it. Well we can't all be talented musicians; the talent go for classical the rejects do rock or pop.


This happens to be exactly what I do. There is no reference to music genres at all, and your only argument is YOU HATE IT. Then you do nothing but add insult to injury...all for the glory of God, right?

2 Corinthians 6:17

Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

Touch no unclean thing, be separate. Love not the world, nor the things that are in the world.


If you paid attention to the scholarship here, you would know that it is properly translated "touch not the unclean"...people. This is not a verse that substantiates some subliminal meaning to stay away from rock music.

Proverbs 17:4

An evildoer listens to wicked lips, and a liar gives ear to a mischievous tongue

The lyrics are evil, makes no difference if it is spoken or sung.


If the lyrics are evil...then it shouldn't matter what genre of music it is, now does it??? Has anyone here posted music with evil lyrics??? Does anyone here who may have listened to "evil lyrics" allow them to pollute their christian lifestyle? You did too, Nico, but you didn't allow it to destroy you either.

Ezekiel 33:32

And behold, you are to them like one who sings lustful songs with a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument, for they hear what you say, but they will not do it


This here sounds like an analogy to the words of the prophets falling on the ears of a people like "pop" music...being much akin to what is going on in churchianity today. People don't listen to the lyrics, much like they don't listen to the sermons and are just going through the motions.

Ephesians 5:6

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Empty words, singing garbage and vain babble.


Nico, this is actually describing your "vain babble". No one here uses "evil lyrics" to push any agenda here. The only agenda being pushed here is yours.

Amos 5:23

Take away from me the noise of your songs; to the melody of your harps I will not listen

Yes Amos was referring to the good music of the day; so how would Yahweh feel about the modern rubbish.


Again, referencing "songs"...not any type or style. We freely admit that many rock songs are not fit. We freely advocate using your christian discernment. I love how you seem to assume what Yahweh considers "modern rubbish". Nice to know you have the inside scoop on the mind of God.

2 Timothy 3:1-4

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, l


This one just kills me. I'd rather be accused of being a lover of "pleasure" (e.g. rock music) than be a lover of self, proud, arrogant, abusive, ungrateful, heartless, unappeaseable, slanderous, without self control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, and swollen with deceit...like YOU are exhibiting Nico!

John 3:19

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

People loved the darkness, rock is darkness and evil, yet Christians still love it despite it doing nothing for the kingdom


Again, this is just painful sophistry on your part. Where is your SCRIPTURAL PROOF that rock music in general is darkness and evil???

Jude 1:18

They said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.”

Passions for rock music; rock is ungodly, therefore an ungodly passion.

believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Sadly yet again, nothing but more sophistry, using the Word of God to infer something that is not there...shame on you!!!

1 Thessalonians 5:19-23

Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Abstain from every form of evil, I suppose rock music couldn't possibly be included in every form of evil.


Yes, your last sophistic plea to demand the that the phrase "rock music" is synonymous with "evil", only from your personal perspective that you hate rock music.

Nico, we tried to pull your head out of your ass. At this point, if you leave and don't come back, I don't think I will shed a tear. Your complete lack of humility and deliberate tearing down of your brethren disgusts me.
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Re: Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

Postby Staropramen » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:40 am

My grand-pappy used to talk about rock music this way. He was a drummer. All his ideas about rock were based on what he heard in his day to day comings and goings. The KISS posters on my wall confirmed to him that rock was bad. One day I sat him down in my bedroom and played him "The Mule" from Deep Purple Made in Japan. For the unfamiliar it's a drum solo by Ian Paice. Afterwards he sat silent for a few seconds looking at the floor then looked up and said "that boy has done is homework". :D
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