Chuck Berry Admits White, Not Black Influences

[EzraLB]

But you cannot hold others to your personal preferences and opinions outside your home. That is why I want to bring it back to Scripture.

Joe, of course, you are right, and my point was never to insist that others should share my personal preferences. My larger point was how we need to examine why and how we condemn one thing over another and how our preferences should or should not necessarily apply to all Christians.

To wit: can we honestly say that something as banal as our musical or literary tastes truly reflect the quality of our Christian beliefs and ultimately our destinies in the Kingdom of Yahweh?

And, Joe, I have not been able to find anything in Scripture that condemns any type of music over another. However, I did find a few references that acknowledge that there are many kinds of music (emphasis mine):

Daniel 3:15
Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?


That said, it would seem there will come a time when all music, regardless of type, will cease as Judgement comes:

Revelations 18:22
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee.

[Joe]

Ezra I just added that last line because I am not against people discussing things outside of Scripture.

Ezra wrote

Joe, of course, you are right, and my point was never to insist that others should share my personal preferences. My larger point was how we need to examine why and how we condemn one thing over another and how our preferences should or should not necessarily apply to all Christians.

I agree with you Ezra and I know that is not your point, but I think that is what Nico is doing. And since it is a personal preference, then there is no need to 'make excuses' or to attempt to justify it to him.

If it was a matter of the Law or supported by scripture then we would all have that same standard.

That does not mean you cannot have your own standard for your own house but you can't condemn your brother and occupy his house.

[Staropramen]

Nico,
If some White person who believes the CI message writes music with wonderful lyrics that are theologically sound but the music itself sucks dodo eggs is it ok to criticize the music? Because if you're saying that all musical merit must be tossed aside if the lyrics are bad then it should follow that you would forbid criticism of bad music with good lyrics.

[NicoChristian]

I wasn't going to bother posting anymore but since Staro is asking for it, here's my response. Joe, Ezra, Staro. This is summay of this thread, I insulted your precious rock music and you have taken it as some kind of blasphemy. You three sat there attacking me because I attacked rock music. This is the situation, Christians attacking another Christian over secular Satanic rock music. I attacked rock music and rightfully so. It's been a headache for Christians since it's inception. Ezra thinks that because the churches were corrupt, rock was a justified protest against them. What an idiotic and absurd notion. If you want to protest, protest respectfully; Martin Luther protested Catholic corruption by reforming the church, not by swinging his hips like Elvis. He didn't introduce yoga and Hinduism like the Beatles. Any decent conservative man would take two minutes to think, yes, fair one, rock is pretty degenerate and it's not really very Christian. One is kidding himself to say it's harmless, even good. It's the music you grew up with? I grew up with all kind of bad influences; but I reformed myself and shed that garbage. I look back at the past and say that it was pretty degenerate and immoral. You call me a hypocrite because some classical music has been infiltrated by Jews and mamzers. If anything you lot are hypocrites; you nit pick classical music and defend rock as though I was blaspheming. I say rock has no Christian value, has degenerate roots and has harmed our youth since it's inception. Your defence, "it's the music of my youth", "it's harmless", "no-body listens to the lyrics", "it's White". Strong counter arguements, oh I forgot you don't understand sarcasm. Yes Ezra English is my mother tongue, I grew up in England the home of Shakespeare, you condescending know it all. Oh and I probably have higher education than you, but I don't feel the need to brag about it because to me it's meaningless paper. You lot goaded me into a response, you got it. Enjoy because it'll be the last one you get. I'm humble enough to admit when I'm wrong, but to say I was wrong to attack rock, get real.

The liberal attitudes of rock, the hidden and overt Satanism, the degeneracy. I only need mention the bands, Buddy Holly, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis, Kiss, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath. I suppose that lot promoted White values and Christian beliefs, exactly the opposite. It seems that some people must be still rather liberal to like that kind of trash. You asked for it you got it, but no you won't get anymore of my time and attention I've wasted enough with you lovers of evil doers, idoloters. Hypocrites.

[Les]

Rock music is not the only type that enticed our people in the past.
I remember always seeing in movies and on TV shows that Ravel's "Bolero" was the classical record you were supposed to play if you wanted to have sex.

I would not where to draw the line, since technically all music originated from Satan ?
Bible quotes listed at -
http://www.turnbacktogod.com/lucifer-angel-of-music/

YAHWEH gave us some power to control ourselves and to enjoy life.
Not everybody who listens to rock bands turns into what they sing about.

[Joe]

You asked for it you got it, but no you won't get anymore of my time and attention I've wasted enough with you lovers of evil doers, idoloters. Hypocrites.

Not a single justification from Scripture. That is the end of it. As Ezra pointed-out, we cannot find anything on which to base your opinion. So it is just that.

Do you esteem your opinion to be higher than that of God. You deem the works of men to be righteous and unrighteous, supposing certain works to honour God by your own judgement, those works which you yourself prefer.

What of MatthewOtt's music?, is all rock music really as you say it is. Not at all, this is just a generalization you are using dishonestly so that you can apply that rule unfairly. You are making a rule yourself to condemn your brother.

If I told a brother to not make a 'special rulebook' with which to condemn his brethren like a pharisee I better make sure I do not have my own 'special rules'. We should have love and humility when we edify our brethren, but you hate us!

Why? ...because we disagreed with you?

Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Iron sharpeneth iron.

Do you expect Christians to heed to your opinion and throw the Bible away, do you expect to present your opinions without criticism?. I am wrong all the time.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

No-one here is promoting satanism or blasphemy or anything of that sort. Which the Bible condemns.
I am saying that if the Bible does not condemn your brother, than how can you?

[Joe]

I saw Staropramen the other day, he was wearing a black t-shirt and it wasn't even ironed! ...that filthy degenerate was wearing an unironed black t-shirt, exactly like the satanist do. It even had flames on it, like hell or something.

There is no way I can have fellowship with an evil doer like him!

No-way. You better make sure you're wearing a button-up shirt and a tie if you want to walk with me, I don't want to be seen with that sort, ...what kind-of message would that send?!?

[Gaius]

Just a reminder from Paul to the Galatians, ch 5 --

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

[Joe]

A peace maker is one who advocates the Law of God to Love thy Neighbour, it does not mean kissing everybody's ass ...that will not lead to peace.

It is not someone who makes up crazy laws to convict everyone but themselves.

[EzraLB]

I only need mention the bands, Buddy Holly, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis, Kiss, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath. I suppose that lot promoted White values and Christian beliefs, exactly the opposite.

LOL, I don't know if you know less about rock 'n roll or Shakespeare. If you've proven anything here, you've proven how much hatred you have for people here who are far more Christian than those hypocritically pious Judeo-Christians you admire so much.

You obviously feel completely comfortable doling out judgement against all of us and anyone who dares transgress your arbitrary moral lines in the sand. One degenerate rock musician must have had you and your ilk in mind when he wrote the well-known "satanic" lyrics...

And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're goin' through

You say no rock song ever had any redeeming value, especially from a "satanic" group like Black Sabbath. Obviously, you've never heard this song, but if you bother to read the lyrics, you'll see that it says many positive things about Christ and mocks those who mock God. Funny how the Judeo prigs never mention this song and its positive, pro-Christian message, probably because, like you, they've already made their decisions prior to investigation:

After Forever
By Black Sabbath

Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope - do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days

Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
that God is the only way to love

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?

I think it was true--it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance, but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve

Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that He's the one
The only One who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late.