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'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

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'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby disciplemate » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:25 pm

I was wanting to know how much we should take out of the above mentioned book for good true information. I am aware the author of this book bases his findings on a darwinism.

I was also wondering what we should think in regards to the author's evaluation of the sub races. Grant notes the superiority of the Nordic race compared to the Mediterraneans and Alpine racial types.
What books should we read for a true historical understanding of the Israelite race?

Unfortunately, White Nationalism heavily relies on the 19th century evolutionary view of racial anthropology which I believe essentially teaches that the Nordics underwent stringent selective breeding for thousands of years during the ice age in northern Europe whereas the Alpine and Mediterranean racial lineages are said to contain racial admixture in their genes. Theories like these are definitely in conflict with CI.

Any response would be appreciated, thankyou.
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby EzraLB » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:46 am

disciplemate wrote:Unfortunately, White Nationalism heavily relies on the 19th century evolutionary view of racial anthropology which I believe essentially teaches that the Nordics underwent stringent selective breeding for thousands of years during the ice age in northern Europe whereas the Alpine and Mediterranean racial lineages are said to contain racial admixture in their genes. Theories like these are definitely in conflict with CI.


I've skimmed through some of Madison Grant's writings, but I generally found them tedious and frustrating because of, as you point out, his heavy reliance on darwinism. The idea that the Nordic type evolved that way because of the harsh northern climate of Europe is a fairy tale for 4 year-olds, but surprisingly even people with PhDs buy it.

The real differences between the Nordic and Alpine types are chimeras, as far as I'm concerned. They rely heavily on phenotype--physical appearance--rather than genotype--or genetic markers. And from a genetic point of view, the two types are virtually indistinguishable, which is what the Bible would predict. It's not uncommon within single White European families, even Swedes, to have members of both types.

As a thinker, Grant was more of an anthropologist and eugenicist than he was a chronicler of the history of the White race. Little known is that Grant and the jew Franz Boaz both sat on the National Research Council's Committee On Anthropology--and in the struggle for control, the jew Boaz, of course, won. Ironically, both theories are wrong, but the more wrong won out.

There is an urban legend circulating that Adolf Hitler, after his release from prison, wrote to Madison Grant, praising "The Passing Of The Great Race," and claiming that it was his 'Bible'. I won't believe this until I see the actual letter, but there is no doubt the National Socialists, such as Alfred Rosenberg, admired and expanded on Grant's work.

Grant's Passing was one of the first books the National Socialists published in the early 1930s. While well-intended, I find many of Rosenberg's racial theories to be bogus and actually detrimental to the German cause--and I hope that one day Bill does a full critique of Rosenberg's anti-CI racial theories.

That said, if you want the best and most reliable history of the Israelite race, you need look no further than Bill's historical essays and podcasts--there are no rabbit holes, no crackpot evolutionary theories, no reliance on speculation. I would start on the Christogenea main page under the heading "Historical Essays Proving Christian Identity."
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby Gaius » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:07 pm

I have a copy of this book and managed, after several attempts to reach somewhere around p 40 or so, followed by skimming in and out at various points. Thereafter I quit reading it because I also found it "tedious and frustrating", as Ezra says. The foolishness of his C19th nordicist/darwinian view makes it truly "dead letter" material imho ...
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby Teutonic » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:10 pm

Never understood all the hype about Grant, I always found his work vague and ill-informed. If you want to read something of worth in the field of racial science then check out Richard Hoskins or Hans Gunther.

As far as the different European racial types go, they are only different representations of the same genetic pool. In my own immediate family, my father is a perfect example of the Alpine type, while my mother of the Nordic type; yet all of their children were Nordic, which must mean that the Alpine type must share the same DNA as the Nordic type.
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby andersonone » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:29 pm

A lot of secular scientists without CI perspective miss the boat when it comes to race and genetics it seems. As much as I respect David Duke for his overall body of work I have to disagree with some of his assessments of evolution and climate as well when it comes to our race. I explained it to my brother this way the other day.

It doesn't matter how many hours you study if you don't know how to study!

For instance, you could study everything about a tree...its leaves, bark, branches, color, etc. but unless you cut it down you would NEVER KNOW that it had rings inside.

In the same way we can know everything about a subject without knowing anything at all because we didn't have the right perspective from the beginning. One of the things I like the most about CI understanding is that ALL scientific evidence, biblical evidence and historical evidence can be in agreement with each other.

Of course to state such as thing is heresy within each respective circles but not even as big of a heresy as the implications of CI truth on the world!
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby Kentucky » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:32 pm

andersonone wrote:For instance, you could study everything about a tree...its leaves, bark, branches, color, etc. but unless you cut it down you would NEVER KNOW that it had rings inside.

If you cut down David Duke, you will see the circular reasoning of his jewish handlers.

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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby andersonone » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:01 pm

If you cut down David Duke, you will see the circular reasoning of his jewish handlers.


Possibly, although I currently believe that David Duke just doesn't have a full understanding of CI.

Why do you think that he may be under jewish management?
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby EzraLB » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:02 pm

andersonone wrote:
If you cut down David Duke, you will see the circular reasoning of his jewish handlers.


Possibly, although I currently believe that David Duke just doesn't have a full understanding of CI. Why do you think that he may be under jewish management?


David Duke is one of the jews' best friends--they wheel him out on national TV whenever they need a clown to discredit White "racism", and Duke always obliges. Duke pretends to attack and whine about jewish power; however, by also insisting that the jews are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, Duke does nothing but reinforce and legitimate jewish power. That's why I think he's a mole, a cut-out just playing a role.

Another interesting detail I've noticed about David Duke is that he's subtly changed the cover of his personal manifesto, "My Awakening," and I think the change may point to his real agenda. I'm not a believer in "masonic power" independent of jewish control, but the new cover of his book clearly shows Duke making a "masonic" sign with his right hand--on previous covers that hand sign is missing. Is it a signal to those in the know? Who knows? But I still find the new choice of photograph hardly accidental.
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby wmfinck » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:36 pm

andersonone wrote:Possibly, although I currently believe that David Duke just doesn't have a full understanding of CI.


This is not a criticism, but just an observation.

This is why it is hard to make decisions about people when you just come into something, and do not know all the history. Wow, I myself fell into this trap several times, when I first got out of prison, and it kept me literally bogged down in the mire for two years.

For this same reason, a lot of people in CI have given Daisy Duke a pass, because they do not know his history.

David Duke is from Louisiana, and in his early days in the Klan he was closely acquainted with two men who were prominent Identity Christians: James Warner, and Gerald LK Smith.

Duke had been thoroughly introduced to CI, and I am acquainted with another man from Louisiana, who has been around CI there for just as long, who personally heard Duke say that he "rejected" CI contentions concerning the Jews on "theological grounds".

And like Kentucky said above, ever since then Duke has played the game of upholding and legitimizing jewish claims of jewish identity.

For that alone, I also believe that Daisy Duke is a shill.

I vociferated the full argument here:

http://christogenea.org/podcasts/camp-saints-revisited
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Re: 'The passing of the great race' by Madison Grant

Postby Kentucky » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:37 pm

andersonone wrote:
If you cut down David Duke, you will see the circular reasoning of his jewish handlers.


Possibly, although I currently believe that David Duke just doesn't have a full understanding of CI.

Why do you think that he may be under jewish management?

My wife knew him in the Klan days and I worked in his presidential campaign. He was surrounded by Christian Identity supporters. He knows the message. He has no excuse for rejecting it. So I didn't say that flippantly. His current sponsor for online radio is Jeff Rense... a jew. There's more, much more.

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