EzraLB wrote:This is an excellent point--I would hardly use any of Hitler's--or Alfred Rosenberg's--opinions of who the Slavs are--or were--they clearly had an agenda. Hitler was a German Nationalist, not an Identity Christian who understood the true origins of the European Race. While he certainly could see the devastating effect that his jewish population had had on the German nation, he could not see those effects on the Slavic peoples who suffered much worse...
Germany's jewish population prior to WWII was only 0.75% of the population; yet they almost completely ran the country into the ground. Poland, on the other hand, bore a much worse burden with over 15 times as many jews. Czechoslovakia had over 5 times as many jews as Germany. No wonder these countries were held in a perpetual state of under-development. And then, after the war, these countries were rewarded with living under the boot heel of jewish communism. Those points, I think, go a long way to explaining why you see such a disparity of development between Germany and its immediate eastern neighbors.
Poland and Czechoslovakia did not reap the benefits of the Protestant Reformation, which undermined the hegemonic power of the Catholic Church in those countries. With the Reformation came economic development--as any Protestant will tell you, they believed that economic prosperity here on Earth was a sign of God's grace. The Catholics emphasized that the meek and downtrodden would inherit the Kingdom to come.
The jews in Poland and Czechoslovakia were in bed with the nobility, conspiring to keep the farmers in a perpetual state of debt, using alcohol as a tool to cheat the farmers out of their property and crops. An excellent book on the subject is Yankel's Tavern: Jews, Liquor, and Life in the Kingdom of Poland by Glenn Dynner.
Prior to WWII, you'd be hard-pressed to see the difference between eastern Germany and western Poland, which was highly germanicized. Even today, many towns in Poland, which weren't devastated by the war, look almost indistinguishable, architecturally, from German towns. To suggest that these were somehow completely different peoples--genetically--doesn't hold water. As Staro's photos of Czechoslovakia show, there is advanced civilization "east of Berlin".
I should also point out that the term "Slav" is a linguistic designation, not a racial one. I've read quite a bit about the history of Central Europe in the pre-Christian era, and the constant waves of migration and resettlement were unlike anything you can imagine today with our stable nation-states. These early White tribes battled and mixed with each other for over 1,000 years. It wasn't nearly as cut and dry along "ethnic" lines as the British Israel-tards would like to believe.
As Bill pointed out, the eastern provinces of Germany were highly influenced by the Slavs--and I would suspect that the Germans from those regions all carry some "slavic" blood--as do many of the English, as those germanized-Slavs were part of the Danelaw invasion of England, along with the "Vikings".
As Matthew Raphael Johnson's work makes clear, the Slavic people produced many great intellects, but few have been translated into English, which creates a bias against them in the West. Also, with the fall of communism, new archeological finds from Central Europe are now revealing a lot of evidence of both Celtic and Scythian settlements in that area. Over time, I think we'll see that these so-called profound differences between White Europeans aren't so great after all.
Excellent post, Ezra. Just downloaded that book and I'm going to start reading it later.
Suicidal and dictatorial catholicism, jewry in "noble" places, communism, "forced" alcoholism, and "noble" poverty didn't really fare that well in many Slavic countries. And it's good to remember that almost all Eastern European countries--even to this day--are very rural in nature and still bare their scars from the jewish communist rule.
One only has to read a little bit of history to see that jews have had far, far greater positions of power in for example Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary (not a Slavic country though), Balkans, etc. In these countries they often bribed the nobility and ultimately exerted their power by either slaughtering or starving the populations (and especially, as Ezra said, the farmers).. whereas in many Germanic and British countries they simply never got the chance to gain that kind of power or become communist rulers. Still to this day they have proverbs for the evil nature of jews in these countries.
Jews hate rural living and farmers.. but at the same time they have also always had an easier time to bribe kings/rulers in very rural countries so that they could steal the "dumb" peasants supplies and starve them to death (or promote alcoholism and other destructive vices).
It's very depressing to read about jewrys history in Eastern Europe
And yes, I think it's pretty evident that "Slavs" intermixed with Germans and other Whites. Even during the Austria-Hungary era many "Nordics" "intermixed" with Slavs. If Slavs were so racially alien, then why did so many "Nordic" people "intermix" with them?
To me Nordicism is just a fraud.
Nayto wrote:Thanks all for responses so far. I have plenty to consider going forward, especially when reading ancient historians. Just some thoughts on the matter at this point:
Let's assume that the original peoples of the Slavs were White, which seems to be the prevailing opinion (not to say either that in my wording I am implying that my believe is the contrary). There definitely are Slavs who are actually mongrels, so where does this mongrel element come from? Is it just the jewish dirt in their genetics or is there some other cause in addition to jews?
What Slavs? You need to define what population you are talking about before you call all "Slavs" mongrels. Do you mean Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians, Serbians, Bosnians, Croatians, Russians, Bulgarians, etc? Define what you mean.
If you're talking about Russians or Ukrainians, then yes, many Russian and Ukranians have some minor asiatic element from mongrelization. I you're talking about Bulgarians I would also suspect that many of them carry either Gypsy or Turkish blood. But if you're point is about Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians, Serbians, Croatians, etc, I would say no.. they are definitely White to me.
Regarding Hitler, I don't think it's fair to simply say that his regard for non-German elements was purely political. If you read his books it is clear that he holds that same regard for Americans and British. It is hard to deny his logic when he says that German elements have been more productive in history. I personally think it would be unwise to think that even among White people that everyone is equal, or that populations collectively are equal. We do after all have the prophecies to each tribe and there are dominant tribes like Judah, Ephraim and Manasseh at the top so to speak. One must then consider whether a population is simply from a tribe with a less fabulous blessing or whether they are simply void of the Aryan spirit and Israelite blessings. With this in mind there could be some merit to the argument -- from a spiritual standpoint -- that a prolonged effect of communism and jewry might deflate a group's achievements because they are under chastisement. As an added tidbit, I'm surprised and intrigued to hear about Czech achievements.
Of course it was political. Do you think that Hitler attacked the Soviet Union with as much vehement that he did before the so called Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? And later he also allowed niggers, gooks, mongrels, etc to "fight" for Germany against the "imperial colonial" Allies. Would you consider gooks, negroes, mongrels and jews to be "honourary Aryans"? During the war he even allowed some brown Indians within their "nobility" to marry Aryan women for the benefits it would gain him in fighting the British colonial powers in India.
Hitler was forced to compromise on certain issues (especially during the final stages of the war) to further his agenda.. and he certainly was no expert on race (he definitely thought that the OT was "jewish" too).
So why the obsession with Hitlers views on this?