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[wmfinck]

14 Do all things apart from murmuring and disputing, 15 that you would be perfect and with unmixed blood, blameless children of Yahweh in the midst of a race crooked and perverted - among whom you appear as luminaries in the Society...

[ElleJay]

"In Philippians chapter 2, Paul of Tarsus wrote:14 Do all things apart from murmuring and disputing, 15 that you would be perfect and with unmixed blood, blameless children of Yahweh in the midst of a race crooked and perverted - among whom you appear as luminaries in the Society.."

I like to do a "background" check when I read verses in a different light from what I am used to, such as the one above from Bill. I am always amazed that Strong's, even though he is flawed, comes so close ... but then, to me, appears to back off (which is not amazing ... otherwise his concordance would not be so widely accepted by the public ... especially by Judeo-Christianity. That being said, his work is still an invaluable resource that I would not wish to be without!) If you read the preface to Strong's, he lets you know that anything after ":-" is not an accurate interpretation, but merely the way words are used in the KJV. The "figurative" usages are a bit puzzling to me.

The following is Strong's definition of the word "harmless" which is used by the KJV where Bill uses "unmixed" from the above passage.

G185
ἀκέραιος
akeraios
ak-er'-ah-yos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of G2767; unmixed, that is, (figuratively) innocent: - harmless, simple.

Anyway, in no way am I a Bible scholar ... but I am heartened to have Bill as my Bible teacher when I do.

[Staropramen]

I guess the KJV translators were stretching the definition of unmixed to imply not being mixed with bad behavior.

[wmfinck]

Well, thank you, ElleJay

Admittedly, my translation of ἀκέραιος in that passage of Philippians is emphatic, and includes the word blood, as well as unmixed. I did that purposely because of the context in which the word appears. Liddell & Scott define the word ἀκέραιος initially as unmixed, pure in blood where it is used of people, but it may have other meanings in other contexts.

Here in Philippians it is clearly used in opposition to "a race crooked and perverted". Those words are plainly and literally translated, and therefore the only legitimate meaning ἀκέραιος could have in this context is also how it was used in Greek literature, referring to racial purity of people. If the Wheat do all things according to Christ, they will not be found in bed with the Tares!

There were many other words which Paul could have used if he wanted to warn these people to be blameless in their behaviour alone, and then he would not have had need to contrast ἀκέραιος to a perverted and crooked race. And if genea is translated as generation, in that sense, whether we are good or bad, we are all part of the same generation. So even the King James Version translated genea as nation in this passage, where they almost always translated it as race elsewhere! They only got half the picture. The universalist logic is completely illogical.

I like to think that my translation of the New Testament is in accordance with both history and the teachings of the Old Testament, and with that understanding I interpreted the Greek as literally as my meager ability allowed.

Please pay close attention to this passage, because there is a facet to it which most people miss. It is from Joshua 23:11-13:

11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God.
12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:
13 Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

The words of Yahweh in Joshua, paraphrased: "Love Me and you will not intermarry with the tares".

The words of Paul in Philippians:, paraphrased: "Love Christ and you will keep your race pure".

The Word does not change, after all!

[ElleJay]

I did it again. I was writing a reply, walked away for hours ... came back, finished my message, but was signed out ... timed out. I lost it all. Will I never learn? Perhaps I needed to mull my reply over some more. In any case, I was edified. (LOL) Sometimes when you write things out, it puts the stamp of understanding more clearly on your heart.

Anyway ... Bill ... thank you so much for your reply. I have read it through several times, and each time I am struck by the clarity of Joshua 23:11-13. It says it all in a nutshell. I wonder that my eyes missed so much over the years, but when I read the Word now, I no longer see as much through a glass darkly.

I did understand your use of unmixed blood ... that it made the passage unmistakably clear without altering the meaning of the translation. In today's world, it may be extremely important that you made that distinction ... for unmixed, in today's thinking, probably would not admit to a racial view of that passage.

I have been thinking about cognitive dissonance in light of that. I held contradictory beliefs for many years, but, unlike so many, it did trouble me. In this world, most of the preachers sit on that fence ... teaching their congregations to believe something in the Bible means something else ... explaining that we just do not understand a passage in the right light. (We have lost the art of being Bereans.) The Bible says to "be ye separate," but the churches say that has to do with unbelievers. Yet the Bible says "what fellowship hath light with darkness?" The churches say how else do we reach people for Christ if we do not find ways to get "the lost" into our churches ... and someday they will see the light. Our churches have allowed more than one kind of darkness into their congregations.

We have forgotten our roots. We have forgotten our His-Story. We have been the blind following the blind and so many of us have fallen into the ditch. Is it any wonder churches are telling us to forget about the Old Testament? Is it any wonder churches are telling us that reading the historical classics is unimportant ... and the schools began to strip those books from the classrooms and libraries? Is it any wonder that the study of Latin and other languages have gone by the wayside? Antiquity is antiquated ... and we have forgotten God in the end. We may mouth platitudes. We may think more highly of ourselves than we ought. We may believe we have all understanding. But all we need to do is look around us, and we should be troubled in our spirit. That should be enough to cause us to cry out to Yahweh God ... for His help ... for our eyes to be opened to real Truth ... and to come out from among them and be ye separate. It is a battle ... within families. It is a struggle. We have confusion and chaos on every side.

So ... now I come back to where I began ... or should I say, where you continued ... with Joshua 23:11-13 ...

11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God.
12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:
13 Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

We have become

"a race crooked and perverted."

I know of no family who has not been affected by the snares and traps that are rotting our nation. They are scourges in our sides and thorns in our eyes ... and we, as a nation ... are perishing. It is a sad sight to see and experience. Yes, we have hope, knowing ultimately we will be rescued ... but to watch us crumble is heartbreaking ... and even more so when we realize we have had a hand in our own downfall! That is heart wrenching!

You are definitely one of God's vessels that He is using to open up the eyes of His people through your love of history and desire to find the most accurate translations using history and the grammar (including the nuances and idioms) of the original languages. It cannot be easy for you ... but through you, some of God's Chosen Race are being blessed.

ElleJay

[Les]

14 Do all things apart from murmuring and disputing, 15 that you would be perfect and with unmixed blood, blameless children of Yahweh in the midst of a race crooked and perverted - among whom you appear as luminaries in the Society...

This photo is heartbreaking.
This is going on across North America these days too I think. Homeschooling is the only way now,

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[ElleJay]

I have believed Homeschooling is the only way since I first learned about it in 1984 for a variety of reasons. (Most of you know I began homeschooling at that time ... a late beginning is better than none!) A pressing problem, though, has to do with the churches they attend. Yes, many are extremely conservative, but there is a mixing ... and they really believe we are all of one blood ... regardless of skin color. At least they are not exposed day after day to interracial classrooms as most other schools. (That picture is heartbreaking!!! )

With that belief holding such a control over the minds of family, my other concern is what we may face in the future with grandchildren.

I know that Yahweh used homeschooling in my journey to find Truth ... wherever it led me.

On a positive note, when one is serious about homeschooling, eventually where you attend church becomes an issue, because one day you realize that your values are very different from main stream Christianity's

I grew up attending mixed schools. I understand the dangers.

Elle

[Staropramen]

Attending a brick and mortar church is something that I miss but what can I do? They are all perverted by race-mixers and blind, arrogant fools that refuse to be corrected. Praise Yahweh for this site!