Merkel a Polish Jew?

[brucebohn]

Judeo-Identity? Really Mark?
Interesting, and thanks for your "2 cents" Mark...

[EzraLB]

Mark,
I never said nor implied at any point that the jews were Israelites. Show me where I said that. I have never said that, nor would I ever say that or imply that. The jews are Edomites and can never be part of the Covenant of Yahweh.

As far as the Khazar history is concerned, it has been dominated and steered by jews. Virtually all understanding of who they were or may have been comes from jewish--or Soviet Russian--sources. I have seen all too often that people in CI just take it all for granted that the Khazars were mongol-turk mongrels who converted to judaism. The problem is that if you read the supposed documentation that these historians rely upon, it's full of contradictions. The entire Khazar question seems to have worked its way in to White Identity circles via Lothrop Stoddard, and it looks like he took a lot of it at face value.

Very little independent archaeological work has been done in the Khazar region because it has been controlled by the Soviets who would not allow any "politically incorrect" findings or theories. It would be naive to think we have anywhere near the last word on who the Khazars were.

And I'm not sure what map of Khazaria you are looking at, but a very large part of the empire was north and west, not north and east of the Caucasus Mountains. I'm not sure how the Israelites could have traveled by land into western Europe and not traveled through the territory that became Khazaria. And the southern-most part of Khazaria included the ancient kingdom of Iberia, named after the Hebrews, I would guess.

Besides the letter from the Khazar king Joseph that I cited earlier, there is another letter from another Khazar ruler who claimed that the Khazars were descendants of the Tribe of Simeon. There are very early Christian grave sites that have been excavated in Khazaria. St. Cyril of Byzantium visited Khazaria to bring Christianity to those people--and that was 100 years before the supposed Khazar "conversion" to judaism. And even jewish scholars cannot agree the degree to which the Khazars actually converted.

There are early historical sources describing the Khazars as having blue eyes, white skin, red hair and of tall stature. That doesn't sound jewish or mongol-turk to me.

There is evidence that the Khazars were related to the Agathyrsi, who were closely related to the Scythians, but you will rarely read any of this in CI circles, and it's not because they've refuted it. It's because they rely so heavily on Arthur Koestler and Heinrich Graetz that they've never even considered it.

To be open to the possibility that at least some part of the Khazars may have been of Israelite descent is not the equivalent of saying that jews are Judah or Simeon. I would never suggest something so ridiculous.

[Kentucky]

Mark,
I never said nor implied at any point that the jews were Israelites. Show me where I said that. I have never said that, nor would I ever say that or imply that. The jews are Edomites and can never be part of the Covenant of Yahweh...

There are early historical sources describing the Khazars as having blue eyes, white skin, red hair and of tall stature. That doesn't sound jewish or mongol-turk to me.

I never said that jews were Israelites. The context of this discussion and what I'm hearing from you is that Israelites (who are White people) migrated out of the Assyrian captivity and moved into the area known as Khazaria. Khazars are either jews or they aren't. Or are we to believe that Khazaria was a multicultural society? Now if we follow through on your logic, if some Khazars were White and were there during the conversion to judaism, that would make them religious jews, not necessarily racial (Edomite) mongrels. Using the misnomer of "jew" interchangeably with the tribe of Judah (who were in Assyria; and thus Israelite) and a practitioner of judaism, then one could say that jews were Israelites. But, I wouldn't say that, because I don't believe it (yet) and there's already too much confusion over that damn word "jew" anyway. But, let's say that it is true. Then what I just described would still hold true. One could construe that a "portion" of Khazars, adherents of judaism, were Israelites. You might not have said that directly, but that's what the neophyte is going to extrapolate in their mind, because they are not yet familiar with the old head game jews love to play i.e. is a jew a race or a religion? and choose whatever suits their fancy.

To be open to the possibility that at least some part of the Khazars may have been of Israelite descent is not the equivalent of saying that jews are Judah or Simeon. I would never suggest something so ridiculous.

Well, this is what I'm trying to reconcile in my open mind. We already know what jews are and are not (Rev. 2:9, 3:9). But, what does it mean if Israelites were Khazars? It raises all kinds of new questions.

Mark

[Kentucky]

Judeo-Identity? Really Mark?
Interesting, and thanks for your "2 cents" Mark...

Lol. I was being a little bit sarcastic, but Joe "Mr. 15%er" November could be its leading "pastor."

Mark

[brucebohn]

Judeo-Identity? Really Mark?
Interesting, and thanks for your "2 cents" Mark...

Lol. I was being a little bit sarcastic, but Joe "Mr. 15%er" November could be its leading "pastor."

Mark

You know, I had all but forgotten about the Windy City
Pharisee , Pastor Putz, And yes, I noted the sarcasm..

[Staropramen]

If the Khazars were White and converted to jewism wouldn't that eventually lead to their mongrelization anyway? Their descendants would certainly intermingle with jews from other places sooner or later.

[EzraLB]

Mark,
I understand your concern that a neophyte in CI might misconstrue the implications of what I'm saying, but for the sake of clarity I will catagorically state that I don't believe there are any jews descendant of the Khazars that are Israelite.

People in White Identity circles know the jews lie about everything, but, as Bill pointed out, many still believe the jews when they claim they are the ancient Israelites. I would suggest the same may be true of what the jews claim about their, at least partial, Khazar origins.

When I first read about the alleged story of the Khazar conversion to judaism, I was highly skeptical. it sounded too convenient, and it seemed to contradict the history of the jews themselves. The idea that the king of the Khazars wanted to choose a religion for his people--and summoned a Chistian, a muslim, and a jewish rabbi to give their best pitch sounds like a fairy tale. After all, why not bring in a "pagan" priest, too?

One top of that, the reason the jews give for the king to choose judaism over the other two choices? Because it was good for business--judaism allowed for the making of large profits. If that sounds plausible to you, anything will. If that were the case, why didn't every royal family in Europe convert to judaism if it meant maximizing their wealth?

Historically, at least as far as I'm aware, jews are not proselytizers. A large part of them do not recognize "gentile" conversion, even if some rabbis give lip service to the idea. And yet we are to believe that the jews converted an entire empire to judaism, unprecedented in the anals of history.

As I said, from jewish sources themselves, they cannot agree about the extent to which the Khazars converted to judaism. Some, in fact, go so far as to state that only the king and his entourage converted. In reality, they don't know anything for certain because it's based on a myth. We do know, however, that at least one high-ranking Khazar had a Christian burial with Greek writing in the grave.

The other big problem with the conversion story is that St. Cyril visited the Khazars, as I said, 100 years before their supposed conversion to judaism, as attested to by the Byzantine history records. Why would the Khazar king, a 100 years later, ask for a Christian to come to Khazaria to make a pitch for Christianity if St. Cyril had already done so?

And you're right, Mark, the picture that the jews have created about Khazar society is all too familiar. The historians have depicted Khazaria as a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic tolerant Utopia with judaism as the unity force. Sounds a lot like New York City or their plans for Europe and America today.

But that depiction seems to contradict the fact that the Khazars fought off the mongol-turk attempted invasions of Europe. The jews in Khazaria would have welcomed and abetted such an invasion. Like Charles Martel, had the Khazars not repelled those invasions, there very well could have been a mosque where Notre Dame now stands in the heart of Paris.

One important point to keep in mind is that this Khazar thesis was first promoted by the jewish historian, Heinrich Graetz, who wrote his "authoritative" "History Of The Jews" prior to the rise of political zionism. As such, he probably didn't foresee how the Khazar myth would conflict with the foundational justification for the ersatz entity of the state of Israel. Subsequently, jewish historians have been busy spinning the Khazar story every which way to obfuscate its implications.

As I pointed out before, no jewish writer that I know of has ever cited the possible Israelite origins of the Khazars as opening the door to the possibility that there are Israelite jews. That is the central irony that I alluded to earlier. And this is yet another reason why I don't take this "conversion" myth seriously. Even if--and that's a big IF--some Khazars converted to judaism, given the nature of jews, they would have inter-married with other jews, converted or not, and destroyed the Israelite bloodline.

For any neophyte Identity Christians, I hope this shuts the door on the possibility that any full-blooded israelite jews slipped through the cracks of Khazar history.

[wmfinck]

This article seems to quantify a few things.

https://endzog.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/confiremd-anti-german-parasite-angel-merkel-is-a-jew/

[EzraLB]

This article seems to quantify a few things.

https://endzog.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/confiremd-anti-german-parasite-angel-merkel-is-a-jew/

I read through this article, but it adds nothing new to what is already known. It's basically a cut-and-paste job with no new research, making the same shaky assertions that previous articles have.

The video of Merkel giving a speech in Israel "in her mother tongue" is very misleading--I think she's actually thanking the audience for allowing her to speak in German rather than Hebrew, but it's easy to take her remarks out of context. And if she were a German-Polish jew, her mother tongue would be Yiddish, not Hebrew.

Also, the writer goes on and on about the jewish ghetto in Krakow called Kazimierz, which is similar to one of Merkel's family names. Despite being a jewish ghetto, it was originally named after the Polish king, Kazmierz The Great, who was not a jew. Kazmierz is a very common ethnic Polish name.

The article also belabors the jewishness of the city of Poznan, where Merkel's other ancestors came from. Poznan is not jewish--in fact, historically, it was a very germanized--and Christian--city. The Patron Saint of Poznan is Paul of Tarsus. Yes, there was a significant jewish population in Poznan, but that hardly means that someone from there must be a jew.

Personally, I don't care if Merkel is a biological jew or not--she's obviously doing whatever the jews demand of her, and that is indisputable. Her genealogy would be very easy to trace--the Catholic church records in Poland are readily available and go back 100s of years--the Mormons probably have them. If someone really wants to prove she's a jew, that's where they need to go to get the documented evidence rather than further this speculation and guilt by association.

[wmfinck]

Thanks, EzraLB

This endzog article has been making the social network rounds. I scanned it yesterday and some of the arguments, on the surface, seemed to have merit, so I posted it here thinking that perhaps it did add something new. I had not been involved in this thread or even cared much as to whether Merkel was a Jew, so this is my initiation to the subject.

After your reply, this morning I spent an hour looking through the endzog claims over coffee. I really should be writing on the rapture right now for tomorrow night's podcast. Something else which does not exist.

You are correct, that the speech which Merkel gave for the 60th anniversary of the Jewish state in Palestine was given entirely in German, and therefore the conclusions reached by endzog are entirely wrong, because the introduction would be saying the exact opposite of what he claims it is saying. But how silly a mistake to make ... or how purposely deceptive.

I found this report on the speech which proves your point:

http://www.welt.de/politik/article1814536/Kanzlerin-Merkel-spricht-Hebraeisch-dann-Deutsch.html

I was more troubled when I checked out that image of Obama kissing Cameron included in this article on Merkel, which was made to appear in what looked like a screenshot of a Haaretz article. I must admit that the mainstream websites (i.e. CNN) who claim that this image is a photoshop certainly do appear to be correct. It is a photoshop, and I cannot find that it ever appeared in Haaretz:

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All of the copies I could find of this image were obvious photoshops. This image seems to be purposeful disinformation, and since it is not really related to the purpose of endzog's article, why would he include it?

When I downloaded that photo from endzog, and saw that it had a German-sounding file name, after checking out a few of the things you had said concerning certain names, I went and looked at a few other things. It seems that much of the disinfo endzog is picking up concerning Merkel actually might have appeared earlier (not to say 'originally') on certain German-language sites. Among these are wissenschaft3000.wordpress.com and derhonigmannsagt.wordpress.com This Google search turns up more such results: https://www.google.com/search?q=merkel+hebr%C3%A4isch+muttersprache&revid=653852871&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX0-nBicPMAhXD6SYKHS8oCOYQ1QIIgAEoAA

So you are also correct, that all of the proof endzog offers for his claim is only circumstantial, and I thank you for your diligence.

I do believe he is correct about the Kosher participation in groups like Pegida and the EDL. I just have to figure out if he is purposely misinforming us about Merkel (and Obama, Cameron) or if he is like so many of us who get information which we like to hear from social networks and run with it before checking it out. That seems to be the standard procedure all too often.